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The UK Should adopt Islamic Culture?

Or in other words, quoting selectively and inaccurately from an article on a topic about which I suspect you know fuck all will win you only very limited support in these parts :)
 
Astramax said:
Well maybe I might get a more intelligent response from others.
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Why should such an extraordinarily stupid, ignorant and malicious opening post merit an intelligent response?
 
Brainaddict said:
So enlighten us. Where in the article did the statement in the title of this thread appear? And what do you think 'islamic culture' is?
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He has made it all up.

My best bet is because he is a prick.
 
It's a shame the way that the media, including the BBC, has spun this story. It was at the start of the radio bulletins today as "Leading Muslim says Britain should adopt Islamic principles", the implication being that Dr Bari had introduced the notion when evidently he was responding to a leading question e.g "Can mainstream Britain learn anything from Muslims"? to which he responded "Everybody can learn from everyone...". If you asked any community leader such a question you'd expect a similar response.

This is how bullshit rhetorical devices are mutated into sensationalist tabloid bollocks.
 
yield said:
There is a lot of the Religious Right who would agree with what he is saying. Homosexuality and pre-Marital sex a sin etc.

What in particular drew you to post about this article here and now?
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Because its headline news and very topical.
 
Astramax said:
Because its headline news and very topical.
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Your 'Headline' doesn't quite match the headline of the story you link to.

Could you please find a quote that says we should adopt what ever you think is 'Islamic Culture'?

Thanks.
 
Astramax said:
read the article and work it out boy.
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He said exactly the same things about 'values' and 'morality' that my religious christian parents, and the heads of organisations such as the Evangelical Alliance might say - you could insert 'Christian values' without anyone noticing. I disagree with them but it's what religious people tend to say.

What he did not say, and what you lied about, was that the UK should 'adopt Islamic culture'. I can't see that in the article.

Can you?

Or did you lie in the title of this thread?
 
I could really go some Aloo gobi, saag aloo, bhindi bhaji, and a peshwari right now.

I agree with Dr.Bari on a few points.

I also object to the lack of calling the IRA 'Catholic' terrorists, but calling terrorists who are Muslim 'Islamic' terrorists.

I agree with his itijihad on adultery.

And I disagree with Dr.Bari on a few points.

Abortion should not be made more difficult - better sex education in an attempt to avoid unwanted pregnancies + my religion doesn't place the needs of the foetus over the needs of the mother-to-be, and so given there are different religious opinions on this, I think it best that religion stays out of this, and just does the best it can to prepare it's flock for assuming the responsiblities of parenthood, or supporting those who find themselves in a difficult situation - male and female, in the case of unwanted pregnancies, without pressurising them to have a child against their wills.

It's all well and good to say Britain needs more morality - he gives an example of sex before marriage - but Muslim teens have just as much a problem with STD's as non-Muslim teens.

Holocaust day is not about ALL massacres, but a eurocentric day of remembrance for the victims of the Nazi holocaust. If Muslims believe there should be an all inclusive day, then let their enthusiasm lead an action group to form such a day to remember all massacres and genocides, and include the Nazi Holocaust in this new day of remembrance with others.

His viewpoint doesn't surprise me - it's little different from the Christian or Jewish conservative, 50-year old+ opinions on life, the universe, and everything. Dr. Bari does sound old-fashioned, and not particularly liberal, but there's a lot of non-Muslims like that in GB.
 
Just to add a little extra on the topic of your extraordinary ignorance, as demonstrated by the original post: muslims in Britain come from a variety of different cultures. The cultures of their home countries may have been influenced by islam, but there is no one 'islamic culture'. It doesn't make sense to even talk about that.
 
Brainaddict said:
He said exactly the same things about 'values' and 'morality' that my religious christian parents, and the heads of organisations such as the Evangelical Alliance might say - you could insert 'Christian values' without anyone noticing. I disagree with them but it's what religious people tend to say.

What he did not say, and what you lied about, was that the UK should 'adopt Islamic culture'. I can't see that in the article.

Can you?

Or did you lie in the title of this thread?
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I agree with all you've said here.

I also wondered why the thread title was typically right-wing eurabia myth-like.
 
I was surprised Dr Bari was allowed to air some of his more extreme views on BBC News 24 today, the day before Rememberance Day.
Given the number of people who have died defending the British way of life I found it insulting.
 
Dillinger4 said:
I bet Astramax is sitting in his computer chair, chuckling.

Thinking that people care.
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Actually, I do care. It makes me very nervous. Every hounding of Jews in Europe over the last 1,000 or so years has been also followed by, or preceded by, the same hounding of Muslims.

I'd like to see him dare to start a thread following a Jewish community leader's commentary on the state of society and the persecution of Jewish communities with the title 'The UK Should adopt Jewish Culture?'
 
chymaera said:
I was surprised Dr Bari was allowed to air some of his more extreme views on BBC News 24 today, the day before Rememberance Day.
Given the number of people who have died defending the British way of life I found it insulting.
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I know.

To think they died for free speech.

:mad:

Just for some johnny foreigner to come here. Come here and USE it.

:mad:
 
chymaera said:
I was surprised Dr Bari was allowed to air some of his more extreme views on BBC News 24 today, the day before Rememberance Day.
Given the number of people who have died defending the British way of life I found it insulting.
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What so-called extreme views were these?
 
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