The Trial of Lucy Letby

[editor]

See also - Genene Jones - Wikipedia

The American privatised health system at work...

The exact number of victims remains unknown; hospital officials allegedly misplaced and then destroyed records of Jones' activities, to prevent further litigation after Jones' first conviction

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Bit of an odd question. Firstly, if your found not guilty, unless there’s compelling reasons you’re unlikely to get compensation but secondly, if it was me, I would want it ~ if she was found not guilty we would have to assume she was not guilty but her life would be fucked.

The filth regularly stitch people up with bollocks cases that they know folk haven’t done, get them remanded and drag it out. They call it nicking a year off your life.

Business, mortgage, family, reputation? No justice, no peace.

 

[savoloysam]

THE prosecution’s lead medical expert in the Lucy Letby case has said hospital executives who failed to act on concerns about the serial killer nurse should be investigated for corporate manslaughter.

Lucy Letby: Police urged to probe hospital bosses for corporate manslaughter

The prosecution’s lead medical expert in the Lucy Letby case has said hospital executives who failed to act on concerns about the serial killer…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

I agree.

 

[existentialist]

The sentencing hearing is underway, though Letby is, as expected, not in court.

The Victim Impact statements are harrowing.

Lucy Letby ‘refuses to come into court’ as she faces whole-life order at sentencing hearing – live updates (live link, so won't age well)

 

[danny la rouge]

The sentencing hearing is underway, though Letby is, as expected, not in court.

The Victim Impact statements are harrowing.

Lucy Letby ‘refuses to come into court’ as she faces whole-life order at sentencing hearing – live updates (live link, so won't age well)

I’m genuinely sorry I started reading that. Please proceed with caution.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah, though as far as I can make out every one of the managers had a nursing or clinical background for at least a few years in their career.

I'm sure we all know of senior managers whose attitudes and apparent knowledge of services has changed as they've ascended - as Clint Eastwood says in fistful of dollars things look different from higher up

 

[existentialist]

Maybe..

Personally I also find it also amazing that the reports they commissioned didn't pick up her as a problem. Assuming she wasn't murdering babies, you'd still think they might highlight negligence or training needed..

(ETA: in some ways I'm not remotely amazed...)

There's a certain culture in some quarters which regard the preparation of a report as a largely perfomative exercise. They will set the terms of the investigation, its scope, etc., with the primary criterion of ensuring that nothing emerges which will disturb their tranquility. And then, when the report comes out, all too often it has to be "revised" in some way, presumably to make the outcome more palatable. A lot of it is organisational mindset - it happens a lot in local authorities, public sector bodies, and organisations like that, though it's certainly not confined to them.

And, even if they had been able to just breathe a sigh of relief and feel like they'd got away with avoiding a criminal investigation, you'd still think that they'd be thinking "but, even so, that's a lot of excess deaths...what's going on?". But it was as if, once they'd washed their hands - or so they thought - of the problem, they just dropped it on the floor and forgot about it.

 

[Indeliblelink]

This seems pretty competently written and referenced to me, suggesting the science used to convict her was suspect, Haven't read it all but i intend to. Will be interested to see peer reviews of it.

https://rexvlucyletby2023.com/

This website was created to present the science behind the claims made against Ms Letby. The information contained here reflects the basic scientific standards and findings relevant to the claims made by the expert witnesses. Despite the requirement that expert witnesses present completed information on those matters they are called to testify on, none of the information contained on this website was ever made available to the jury by the expert witnesses.

 

[existentialist]

This seems pretty competently written and referenced to me, suggesting the science used to convict her was suspect, Haven't read it all but i intend to. Will be interested to see peer reviews of it.

https://rexvlucyletby2023.com/

Someone's putting a lot of effort into that...

 

[Flavour]

for her own safety she'll probably have to spend pretty much the rest of her life in solitary confinement

 

[Agent Sparrow]

The sentencing hearing is underway, though Letby is, as expected, not in court.

The Victim Impact statements are harrowing.

Lucy Letby ‘refuses to come into court’ as she faces whole-life order at sentencing hearing – live updates (live link, so won't age well)

I just don’t have words after reading those - heartbreaking doesn’t come close to covering it. I’m also left wondering on what the surviving siblings could be saying in another 10 years or so.

 

[skyscraper101]

Sentencing live now. There are blackouts in the feed for anonymity reasons.

 

[Petcha]

Jesus christ. She stalked the parents on Facebook afterwards to follow their grief.

 

[sojourner]

THE prosecution’s lead medical expert in the Lucy Letby case has said hospital executives who failed to act on concerns about the serial killer nurse should be investigated for corporate manslaughter.

Lucy Letby: Police urged to probe hospital bosses for corporate manslaughter

The prosecution’s lead medical expert in the Lucy Letby case has said hospital executives who failed to act on concerns about the serial killer…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

I agree.

So do I - I said this to the fella the other day.

 

[RainbowTown]

Whole life order. Sentenced to a whole life tariff for every offence.

Good. Hope she rots in hell.

 

[Idris2002]

She's not going to last long in prison.

 

[Petcha]

She's not going to last long in prison.

Yeh, she will. She's going to be checked on every five minutes apparently. And it will be solitary confinement. She's only 33 so that's a lot of time.

 

[editor]

May she rot in hell.

 

[Dystopiary]

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[Flavour]

these people tend to find a way to kill themselves

 

[RainbowTown]

I've always been against capital punishment. And will continue to be so.

But on this occasion, that belief has been sorely tested..

 

[Petcha]

If she won't front up in court they should put up a screen in her cell and pump the judge's voice into her cell

 

[Dystopiary]

The judge ordered that she is provided with a copy of the sentencing remarks and a copy of the victim impact statements.
I think she should have had to hear them.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

If she won't front up in court they should put up a screen in her cell and pump the judge's voice into her cell

Pretty sure I saw on the live feed that is happening (audio anyway).

 

[felixthecat]

Good. I hope she has a fucking awful time in jail.
This case has really affected me. How can someone whose whole mandate is to protect and care for the most vunerable can Do something so evil is beyond me.

 

[LeytonCatLady]

WLO, good. Evil witch can rot.

 

[Plumdaff]

I've always been against capital punishment. And will continue to be so.

But on this occasion, that belief has been sorely tested..

I think a whole life tariff at 33 - so many years knowing not only every fellow prisoner but more importantly every prison officer wishes you immense harm - is a worse punishment than a quick death. And in this case is well deserved.

 

[LeytonCatLady]

I can't bring myself to give much of a shit what happens to her inside, to be honest. I don't actively wish prison violence on her, but can't say I'll lose any sleep over it either. I can only hope the families of her victims can gain some consolation that she's banged up for life and can't do it to anyone else and they can now get on with grieving in peace. And that the managers who protected her are fired and can't get another position of authority.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Being sentenced to a full life term IS a death sentence. It just takes longer.

 

[existentialist]

I don't wish any harm on her in prison. For the practical reason that we should be better than that, and the philosophical reason that she should be left with as few distractions as possible in the considerable time she will be spending in prison so as to begin to accept the enormity of what she has done. Which would, arguably, be far more for her to deal with than mere physical violence. And that suits me.