The Russian Aviation Industry

[steveseagull]

With Boeing and Airbus cutting off ties with the country, the aviation industry seems to have three weeks left max.

No spare parts, no repair manuals, no maintenance support, not to mention the difficulty getting insurance and the no fly zones.

A large percentage of the aircraft are on lease (much of it with Ireland based lessors) so they are getting them cancelled.

Added to that, Russians are not going to be able to afford overseas seaside holidays even if there were planes to take them to the destinations.

This leaves them even more cut off than during the USSR.

 

[LDC]

Was just looking for a thread to say something about this...

A close relative works in a UK based company that does aircraft parts and repairs in the SE. Chatted to them yesterday and he said the sanctions are goiung to fuck them quite badly, especially on the back on the pandemic. They do lots of business with Russia (he said about 10% of total) and that's gone now, and he says all the invoices for Russian work won't be paid now which will cause short/medium term financial problems as well.

So, that plus airspace closures (and less people flying short term as well maybe?) more than the Russian aviation industry, how much is this going to fuck the global/aviation industry?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I deal with a company that does stuff with private aircraft and they have a large presence in Russia, they have done very well during the pandemic as private jet use has soared, this week I have so far moved 8 of their staff out of Moscow to Atlanta, the rest who were taken on during the pandemic boom will be laid off. What they know is that Russian aviation is basically dead.

 

[steveseagull]

UK pulling the plug on UK aviation insurance services

UK to bring in further sanctions targeting provision of insurance

UK to bring in further sanctions targeted at the provision of insurance and reinsurance services for Russian companies

www.gov.uk

 

[zahir]

Leasing companies making sure they get their planes back.

 

[zahir]

Thread explaining some of the issues.

 

[Ax^]

Turkish airlne seems to be the only holiday option going forward for Russia or for even getting what
little freight you can get in

 

[2hats]

Seems like the Russians have no intention of returning leased planes. Requisitioned for the state or lessor comes and gets it - "you need it, you take it" - plus get charged a parking fee.

Иностранные самолёты останутся в России — FrequentFlyers.ru

 

[A380]

With Boeing and Airbus cutting off ties with the country, the aviation industry seems to have three weeks left max.

No spare parts, no repair manuals, no maintenance support, not to mention the difficulty getting insurance and the no fly zones.

A large percentage of the aircraft are on lease (much of it with Ireland based lessors) so they are getting them cancelled.

Added to that, Russians are not going to be able to afford overseas seaside holidays even if there were planes to take them to the destinations.

This leaves them even more cut off than during the USSR.

Lots of Russians seem to get some sun on Hainan (China’s Hawaiii..) the Chinese waive the visa requirements for people on package holidays.I suspect Chinese carriers will be more than happy to pick up that slack.

 

[kebabking]

I'm assuming insurance and leasing companies have long memories?

Can we look forward to these planes being repainted in Russian livery, and then falling out of the sky three weeks later?

 

[A380]

Seems like the Russians have no intention of returning leased planes. Requisitioned for the state or lessor comes and gets it - "you need it, you take it" - plus get charged a parking fee.

Иностранные самолёты останутся в России — FrequentFlyers.ru

Might work in the short term but you can’t requisition parts, some consumables and these days software patches very easily.

 

[Ax^]

if Russian airlines are going to take the view if you need it take it


then more then likely sooner than what happened in the soviet era


also would cause the airspace to get even smaller

they'll use your plane if they need


for what flights or parts,

fuck that

 

[zahir]

Seems like the Russians have no intention of returning leased planes. Requisitioned for the state or lessor comes and gets it - "you need it, you take it" - plus get charged a parking fee.

Иностранные самолёты останутся в России — FrequentFlyers.ru

It may still limit where they can safely fly to without planes being seized back.

 

[Pickman's model]

Just as an aside the Soviets spent much time and money investigating the possibility of steam-powered flight between the wars

 

[2hats]

(I'll drop this off here rather than start another thread right now).

Strangely unaware of broomsticks capable of returning to launch site...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

(I'll drop this off here rather than start another thread right now)

Strangely unaware of broomsticks capable of returning to launch site...

Or drive Teslas...

 

[zahir]

Here's a 10 minute video explaining the issues with leasing and maintenance.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Chinese banks are massive in leasing cos of the weight they heft with the backing of central command. keep an eye on this lot. tough times ahead

 

[Ax^]

Just as an aside the Soviets spent much time and money investigating the possibility of steam-powered flight between the wars

ok if we steam punk airships flying around the world because of all this I'm going to be alright conflicted if this was all a bad idea

 

[Pickman's model]

ok if we steam punk airships flying around the world because of all this I'm going to be alright conflicted if this was all a bad idea

they were trying to make steam-powered aeroplanes.

 

[Ax^]

airships are the future for Russia they will see the errors of their ways

 

[zahir]

S7 stops international flights.

 

[teuchter]

Why are so many of the leasing companies Irish? Is it a tax thing?

 

[Threshers_Flail]

Why are so many of the leasing companies Irish? Is it a tax thing?

Yep

 

[Ax^]

Why are so many of the leasing companies Irish? Is it a tax thing?

we just really like big jets and guinness

and we re good sports about i look at the place we brought back oliver reads remains in

 

[zahir]

Aeroflot stops international flights.

Aeroflot, Russia’s flagship carrier, has announced that it will halt all international flights except to Belarus starting 8 March, reports the Associated Press.
It comes after the country’s aviation agency, Rosaviatsiya, recommended that all Russian airlines with foreign-leased planes stop passenger and cargo flights abroad, citing the high risk of them being impounded as part of western sanctions.

 

[2hats]

Aeroflot stops international flights.

From 8 March. Just so happens to be the date all the leases will now expire.

 

[zahir]

I'd have thought airlines in places like Azerbaijan would be taking advantage of a gap in the market, but it seems not.

 

[2hats]

Maybe they are worried they might be stripped for parts?

Apparently lessors have asked Egyptian authorities to impound Ural Airlines aircraft already (flights from two resorts have been cancelled and tourists reported to be returned to hotels). Eurocontrol refusing overflight permission.

 

[kebabking]

I imagine that Russia's gangster threat of 'those are nice surface-to-air missiles you're flooding Ukraine with, it would be a tragedy if one of them ended up in the wrong hands and brought down an airliner...' is hardly persuading airlines to fly into/over Russia...

What with the whole Russia shooting down an airliner thing.