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The Reform UK Party (latest nigel farage vehicle) is it to be laughed at or not

Spoiling for a fight? The complete lack of self awareness here is astounding. Some people have made it clear that they believe spoiling for a fight is the central theme of this forum and they will spoil for a fight, whatever I post.
This is just self-centred, indulgent and frankly paranoid nonsense. You said yourself that posters here "can fully expect[ing] lots more memes, videos and talking about people's 'missus'"

Numerous posters have explained why they object to such thread trashing and, yet here you go again, with the victimisation schtick; tedious.
 
And in an attempt to drag this thread back on topic, yes of course Refuck are to be taken seriously, but the summer riots merely demonstrated the existence of a few thousand extremist racists, who we already knew existed. The counter reaction to them was orders of magnitude larger. We are not (yet) in a place where such nakedly racist sentiments have mass appeal.
Always felt one "in" is to the extent the grievances are fanned by playing on a warped sense of fairness, have genuinely talked to people who argued that without it being just an obvious cover for racism.
 
This is just self-centred, indulgent and frankly paranoid nonsense. You said yourself that posters here "can fully expect[ing] lots more memes, videos and talking about people's 'missus'"

Numerous posters have explained why they object to such thread trashing and, yet here you go again, with the victimisation schtick; tedious.
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And in an attempt to drag this thread back on topic, yes of course Refuck are to be taken seriously, but the summer riots merely demonstrated the existence of a few thousand extremist racists, who we already knew existed. The counter reaction to them was orders of magnitude larger. We are not (yet) in a place where such nakedly racist sentiments have mass appeal.
They normalise 'they do have point' attitudes though, especially with the soon to be mainstream farage stirring shit and using it for exposure.
 
Oh no, some random with a stick up their arse, on the internet finds the word "missus" offensive. How will the forum ever last?
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I've avoided getting involved in this whole "missus" thing up to now, but I think, again, it illustrates a misunderstanding of what was being objected to.

The objection is not to the word "missus", which many people use, both in real life and on Urban.

What was objected to was the context, where the woman in question was being referred to as someone else's missus rather than as an individual in her own right. It's that which was seen as sexist, not the word itself.

You may disagree with the objection and the reason it was made, but to dismiss it and continue to complain about it when you haven't actually understood it in the first place does you no favours.
 
And in an attempt to drag this thread back on topic, yes of course Refuck are to be taken seriously, but the summer riots merely demonstrated the existence of a few thousand extremist racists, who we already knew existed. The counter reaction to them was orders of magnitude larger. We are not (yet) in a place where such nakedly racist sentiments have mass appeal.

Calling racists, racists isn't the point though, is it?

What's being suggested here is that denigrating political opponents with charmless epithets such as knuckle-dragging scum for instance, is counterproductive and generally challenged on here.

That's not true.

Do a word search on "knuckle-dragging" and you'll find hundreds of examples of its unchallenged uses going back a couple of decades. Pick any other term of abuse and you'll find the same. The idea that these boards are some kind of uber-enlightened, philosophical sounding boards is as arrogant as it is nonsense.
 
They normalise 'they do have point' attitudes though, especially with the soon to be mainstream farage stirring shit and using it for exposure.
I'm not so sure about that. Do they normalise it or did the riots have the opposite effect - you're really on the same side as those boneheads?
 
Not sure that's entirely true about the summer riots thread but can't be arsed to check. Think it also matters if it ends up being the bulk of what's said on a subject rather than just the odd drive-by, which you can happily let go. But in the end i would prefer a bit more serious discussion outside of the joke threads or fast-moving stuff on breaking incidents.

I'm not sure that's true either.

As for calling people out for posting shit memes or, in this case shit and anti working class memes, that has always happened on here. Claims that this is some form of gate keeping or a new censorious turn are simply wide of the mark.

Like JimW, if I had a criticism of the board it is the decline in the level and amount of serious disucssion and argument and an increase in Twitter style posting. That's not a personal attack on the meme/hot take posters, it's a view on what I think has the most value and where U75 is at its best.

Whilst I don't want any poster to leave or feel bullied, I've not seen anything that constitutes it on this thread. I mean go and have a look at the 1,000 plus page war on the Brexit thread (talking of middle class left liberal disdain for working class people :D) Some of the fighting on it is brutal with no quarter given. But whilst I think the positon of some posters is shit/wrong/counter productive to engaging seriously I've never once detected bullying from anybody.
 
Not sure that's entirely true about the summer riots thread but can't be arsed to check. Think it also matters if it ends up being the bulk of what's said on a subject rather than just the odd drive-by, which you can happily let go. But in the end i would prefer a bit more serious discussion outside of the joke threads or fast-moving stuff on breaking incidents.

Of course it's not true.

There were pages and pages arguing why it was pointless and counter productive to simply dismiss the rioters as thick and racist.

Spymaster might have missed all that though, maybe because they were too busy trolling on that thread about some wanky beer brand.
 
Of course it's not true.

There were pages and pages arguing why it was pointless and counter productive to simply dismiss the rioters as thick and racist.

Spymaster might have missed all that though, maybe because they were too busy trolling on that thread about some wanky beer brand.
You and I appear to have different memories of this. A point made by many, including me, was the need not to allow these racists to set the terms of debate.
 
You and I appear to have different memories of this. A point made by many, including me, was the need not to allow these racists to set the terms of debate.

I'm not suggesting that the whole thread was people arguing why it was pointless and counter productive to simply dismiss the rioters as thick and racist, there were other currents too, including people who appeared to simply dismiss the rioters as thick and racist, and also those who argued the need not to allow these racists to set the terms of debate (which is a point I agree with).
 
I've avoided getting involved in this whole "missus" thing up to now, but I think, again, it illustrates a misunderstanding of what was being objected to.

The objection is not to the word "missus", which many people use, both in real life and on Urban.

What was objected to was the context, where the woman in question was being referred to as someone else's missus rather than as an individual in her own right. It's that which was seen as sexist, not the word itself.

You may disagree with the objection and the reason it was made, but to dismiss it and continue to complain about it when you haven't actually understood it in the first place does you no favours.
Guess you didn't read it properly then. The post quite clearly showed her real name. The Richard Tice's missus bit was added by me for the benefit of people who would be unaware of who she is and what that had to do with the topic. But that has already been explained, hasn't it? No, some people are just taking offense for the sake of nit picking because, as they have clearly explained, they believe that nit picking is an important part of the forum. Therefore I will continue to treat them with the complete contempt they deserve.
 
Some people do it sometimes. It's by no means 'the way of the boards' and you'll probably find the same people that argue against it, doing it too! That's just what happens here. Saul Goodman pointed out earlier in this thread that one of the fierce critics against using the term "missus" is also one of our most prolific users of the term (guess who ;) ).

Look at the riots in the summer. The scumbags were pretty much universally denigrated as thick, knuckle-dragging cunts, with little or no comment. The push-back only occurs when it suits certain people's agendas; in this case, having another go at a newb who seems to have got herself on the wrong side of the mob.

Spy, some of us were fuming about the rioters being called thick working class. I'm not going back to look or anything but it was definitely a thing.
 
Spy, some of us were fuming about the rioters being called thick working class. I'm not going back to look or anything but it was definitely a thing.
Being called thick and working class is actually quite complementary compared to what these people called left wing protesters. Having a job and being thick isn't quite as bad as being called lazy and work shy with bad personal hygiene, lol
 
I've avoided getting involved in this whole "missus" thing up to now, but I think, again, it illustrates a misunderstanding of what was being objected to.

The objection is not to the word "missus", which many people use, both in real life and on Urban.

What was objected to was the context, where the woman in question was being referred to as someone else's missus rather than as an individual in her own right. It's that which was seen as sexist, not the word itself.

You may disagree with the objection and the reason it was made, but to dismiss it and continue to complain about it when you haven't actually understood it in the first place does you no favours.
That's exactly what happened, and since then it's been all jokes about whether other Urbs say "missus."
 
What a load of bollocks. This entire latest sorry episode has been based on you, Rob Ray and a couple of others, 'shit-posting' and 'circling the wagons' in the face of having it called out.

Someone posted a crap meme which would have gone completely under the radar if it had been posted by a more established poster or one of your gang, a couple of dicks pick-up on it, and it's world war 3.

Fucking sickening. As you well know, these boards are some of the mist unwelcoming on the internet to newbs. It's been discussed for at least close to quarter of a century since I've been here, and the politics section is the nadir of its protectionist attitude towards new joiners.
What boards in your experience are the most welcoming ,and least welcoming , on the internet to newbs? It would be useful to have some examples that might set out some form of a benchmark for the site to aspire to.
 
Spy, some of us were fuming about the rioters being called thick working class. I'm not going back to look or anything but it was definitely a thing.

Again, as I said, it happened occasionally, but it most certainly wasn't any kind of focus of the discussions. And as LBJ points out, the fact that the majority of the rioters were thick working class racists, should not discourage people from saying so.
 
Again, as I said, it happened occasionally, but it most certainly wasn't any kind of focus of the discussions. And as LBJ points out, the fact that the majority of the rioters were thick working class racists, should not discourage people from saying so.
Ok, let's drag it back to a narrative of the rioters being thick, working class, probably no job etc etc, job's a good un. Hilarious! Ad nauseum.

This narrative has no material affect on working class antifascists who should just accept it with good grace.

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