The ongoing stupidity of Home Secretary Priti Patel
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MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Sounds like those on the front line are refusing to implement the new policy. Good for them.Knowing that the boat push back tactics may kill migrants, this is Patel's solution:
Channel migrants: Patel seeks immunity for Border Force if new tactics kill
Priti Patel wants to grant Border Force officers immunity from criminal prosecution if migrants die during new “turnback” operations in the Channel.The home sewww.thetimes.co.uk
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Patel will lead by going out in a canoe in her oversized Home Secretary coat bashing desperate people with a boat hook to show people how it’s done.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
She's really going for it.
www.theguardian.com
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Johnson's plan to appoint a rabid pitbull as home secretary to appeal to the swivel-eyed demographic, as if they didn't have enough to be 'cheerful' about already, is starting to look like it might have a downside.
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
No downside for Johnson here. The combo of Patel and refugees is a vote winner. The unspoken fear is that a Labour Home Secretary would let them all in.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Bet she'd love laser eyes so as she could reduce any offender to a pile of ash instantly.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It's not really unspoken tbh.
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
Agreed. Unspoken here at urban, but loudly and proudly expressed elsewhere. The refugees are a gift for Johnson. In the post-Brexit era it's so much easier to use them as the bogeymen instead of EU bureaucrats, the Poles, the Turks, the French and the Germans. If we didn't have people trying to get here by pedalo or canoe, he'd need to scoop up some Albanian beggars and pay them to do it.
BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
Red meat for the believers who voted to make this country a small independent nation with no clout in the world meaning that virtually all migrants arriving here by unofficial means are here to stay. No matter how badly this government treats these people most are here to stay imo. If we have a labour shortage then what should happen is that they should be allowed to work while their claims are being processed. There are many Tory MPs who support this view as well. A good work record should help any migrant’s claim.
This is all part of keeping the toxic Brexit pot boiling by stoking the “war” with those nasty Frenchies & the EU more generally. French politicians are well aware of what is going on here. Migrants crossing the channel apparently unmolested by the French are just one arm of the offensive. Others are of course fishing & the French threat to stop electricity exports to UK. The French also suggest they could cancel the Le Touquet agreement which allows UK Borderforce to do checks at French channel ports & Eurotunnel. If the checks all had to be done at Dover port instead the delays would be horrendous. In practise what would have to happen to prevent the whole place seizing up would be less checks making our borders even more porous.
All this will continue until the French presidential elections with Johnson’s & his gang perhaps dreaming of a Le Pen victory although I would have thought Marine as French president would be as about as useful to UK interests as Trump was in the White House ie more imagined than real.
While the rubber boat crossings make good TV to enrage the true believers the real people smuggling goes on as it has done since the 90s. Eastern European trucks bound for UK stop briefly at pre arranged rendezvous just off the motorway in Belgium an hour or so before Calais. Groups of people are loaded into the truck & the driver paid in cash.
The French were stopping random trucks 3 at a time a Calais docks & checking inside trailers but I guess all that has just about stopped now just as the French have largely ceased to prevent rubber boat launches off their beaches. Why should they ? While we were EU members this was an EU problem but now we have left once the migrants have left French shores by whatever means it ceases to be an EU problem.
This is all part of keeping the toxic Brexit pot boiling by stoking the “war” with those nasty Frenchies & the EU more generally. French politicians are well aware of what is going on here. Migrants crossing the channel apparently unmolested by the French are just one arm of the offensive. Others are of course fishing & the French threat to stop electricity exports to UK. The French also suggest they could cancel the Le Touquet agreement which allows UK Borderforce to do checks at French channel ports & Eurotunnel. If the checks all had to be done at Dover port instead the delays would be horrendous. In practise what would have to happen to prevent the whole place seizing up would be less checks making our borders even more porous.
All this will continue until the French presidential elections with Johnson’s & his gang perhaps dreaming of a Le Pen victory although I would have thought Marine as French president would be as about as useful to UK interests as Trump was in the White House ie more imagined than real.
While the rubber boat crossings make good TV to enrage the true believers the real people smuggling goes on as it has done since the 90s. Eastern European trucks bound for UK stop briefly at pre arranged rendezvous just off the motorway in Belgium an hour or so before Calais. Groups of people are loaded into the truck & the driver paid in cash.
The French were stopping random trucks 3 at a time a Calais docks & checking inside trailers but I guess all that has just about stopped now just as the French have largely ceased to prevent rubber boat launches off their beaches. Why should they ? While we were EU members this was an EU problem but now we have left once the migrants have left French shores by whatever means it ceases to be an EU problem.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
She has a pair of shoes with knives sticking out the front she wears when dancing to mud's tiger feet and kicks in the shins of anyone who comes near her at home office socials
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Patel's performative stuff really represents one side of Johnson's (Blairite) electoral strategy to deny any ideological/policy room to the opposition by enlarging the "centre-ground" Overton window into a whole frontage of bi-fold doors. Encompassing the party 'faithful' on the right and, with his "left" interventionist economic policy platform, including the the newly acquired vote in the former Labour 'heartlands'. It's worked before.
teqniq
DisMembered
Firstly, they are not migrants they are refugees. Often from places we are either directly or indirectly responsible for fucking up. Secondly part of my job involves interviewing recent arrivals to determine their needs and when asked how they arrived in the UK the response is these days invariably by boat. I haven't been told someone has arrived by lorry for at least a year now, maybe more.
This article is fairly informative though it too refers to them as migrants:
Channel smugglers step up risks to outfox France and UK - BBC News
The number of migrants crossing has doubled in a year, so why is it proving so hard to stop their smugglers?
www.bbc.co.uk
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Tbh it's three years till they have to hold an election (barring another pandemic or renewal of the current one). The labour leadership are so maladroit that Johnson's spaffing all over them in the polls. It's much more likely that his strategy is to try to hold all wings of his party together rather than starting to campaign already. Sir keithly starmer is his greatest asset.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Fair points, but I suspect that, given the polling opportunity, Johnson will cut early for a GE...and the Tories never stop campaigning.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
When the Labour party is leaking money on legal costs like an incontinent alkie tankie, when the Labour party is in disarray with no notion of what it stands for, then there is little need to campaign. If I was to stick my neck out I'd say election in may next year with the covid inquiry due to start in june
BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
Well sorry for the incorrect terminology. Migrants or refugees whatever you like & yes I take the point whether we invaded their countries recently ie Iraq & Afghan or centuries ago it is reasonable to suppose they may well rock up here by whatever means & expect to be treated like human beings. Also reasonable to suppose that many might want to live here permanently & allowing them to work will help them do that yes ? The ones you see are the ones that get ‘caught’ I would think ? Those that successfully arrive in trucks undetected can disappear more easily into the black economy. It is also common enough to find rubber boats abandoned on Kent beaches with no sign of those that arrived in those boats & one would assume they have been collected in vans & taken away undetected ?Firstly, they are not migrants they are refugees. Often from places we are either directly or indirectly responsible for fucking up. Secondly part of my job involves interviewing recent arrivals to determine their needs and when asked how they arrived in the UK the response is these days invariably by boat. I haven't been told someone has arrived by lorry for at least a year now, maybe more.
This article is fairly informative though it too refers to them as migrants:
Channel smugglers step up risks to outfox France and UK - BBC News
The number of migrants crossing has doubled in a year, so why is it proving so hard to stop their smugglers?
I was regularly passing through Calais in my truck in the 90s when the issue of those trying to reach the UK by getting into the back of UK bound trucks began to emerge so I did see this first hand then. More recently I have regularly gone to France Dover Calais in my car & apart from the fencing on the spur motorway to Calais port & the removal of the massive adjacent camp not much has changed.
Be aware that Le Pen may not be the only nasty piece of work to have the possibility of making the final two. Although he's not declared yet, Éric Zemmour is strongly rumoured to be taking a run at the Elysées, and polls very highly, albeit behind Macron, in current surveys. The two of them may split the vote in the initial rounds, but such is the way the French elections work it's unlikely to knock them both out.
Zemmour has more of a whiff of Johnson or Trump in the path he's taken than Le Pen.
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No surprises
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teqniq
DisMembered
This looks to be somewhat grim, if true:
bylinetimes.com
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bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
This looks to be somewhat grim, if true:
New Government Counter-Extremism Chief's Ties to Pro-Trump Hate Groups
Nafeez Ahmed reports on the alarm bells raised by the appointment of Robin Simcox as the Lead Commissioner on Countering Extremism
This article is from April, following his appointment for an initial six months as Interim Commissioner in March. I see his term has been extended till March 2022.
Commission for Countering Extremism
The Commission for Countering Extremism supports society to fight all forms of extremism. Commission for Countering Extremism works with the Home Office .
teqniq
DisMembered
It's very long and I haven't watched it all
Cut down version here:
uk.news.yahoo.com
What actually interests me here is that she delivered this speech at the Heritage Foundation a right wing think tank with dodgy connections:
www.sourcewatch.org
Cut down version here:
Priti Patel seeks to make Hamas an illegal terrorist organisation
Speaking in Washington DC on Friday, Home Secretary Priti Patel announces she is seeking to proscribe Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Ms Patel called this push "an important step for the Jewish community".
What actually interests me here is that she delivered this speech at the Heritage Foundation a right wing think tank with dodgy connections:
Heritage Foundation - SourceWatch
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
Government lawyers tell Priti Patel she is likely to lose fight over migrant boats
Exclusive: home secretary advised odds of defending legality of Channel crossings pushback ‘less than 30%’
All this will add to the government's determination to restrict judicial review of their decisions. They've pulled back from their initial plan that would have gutted the judicial review criteria but I'd bet they haven't given it up
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