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The ongoing stupidity of Home Secretary Priti Patel

Any-way, back on topic.

Does anyone have this full article to post as its mostly behind a paywall?


A senior civil servant has launched an attack on Sir Philip Rutnam, the Home Office’s former top official, for “declaring war” on Priti Patel, accusing him of having “undermined the integrity” of his profession.


In an interview with The Telegraph, the mandarin said they had witnessed officials openly undermining Ms Patel in meetings, having apparently “disagreed with what she was trying to do”.


The official witnessed the minister becoming “frustrated” but said they never witnessed “bullying”. The senior Whitehall figure, who has served under both Labour and Conservative governments, said the “normal process” in Whitehall would have seen Sir Philip take a new role if he and Ms Patel could not work together.


Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official said: “He should have been saying, ‘you’re the democratically elected Home Secretary and it’s me who’s got to go.’ I think it sets a dangerous precedent – senior civil servants trying to take down a democratically elected minister. Even if her behaviour was bad you just do not do this.”


The extraordinary intervention from a serving mandarin comes after Sir Philip resigned last weekend with a broadside against Ms Patel, alleging “shouting and swearing, belittling people, making unreasonable and repeated demands”.

Sir Philip has started legal proceedings against the Government.
The official said: “I was astounded at how Philip has presented this. For me it just crossed so many lines for senior civil servants.
“When a new minister comes in you’re building a new relationship. Sometimes those relationships work, sometimes they don’t. Convention is that if they don’t you simply accept that as the senior civil servant you move to a different part of the civil service.”
The mandarin also criticised Sir Mark Sedwill, the Cabinet Secretary, for apparently failing to resolve the dispute.
In his statement Sir Philip revealed that Sir Mark had, “on behalf of the Prime Minister”, asked him to “effect a reconciliation” with Ms Patel.
In the past week Ms Patel has faced claims that she bullied staff at the Department for International Development as well as at the Home Office and during her time as a work and pensions minister.
But the mandarin, who has worked with Ms Patel during her time in Cabinet, said: “I got the sense in … meetings that she was facing opposition from her officials, who disagreed with what she was trying to do. I found it extraordinary that in a meeting with another department her officials were trying to ‘correct’ her openly.
“I would have had the conversation afterwards. I wouldn’t have undermined my secretary of state in front of another department’s officials. I saw her get frustrated in meetings. I don’t think it was bullying – it was frank and direct.”
The official said they had been motivated to speak out as they felt the integrity of the senior civil service was at stake. The mandarin added it appeared Sir Philip “therefore has declared war on his boss”.
They said: “There is not a lot of support among the senior civil servants I speak to for how he has handled it. He presented it as the noble thing but it was exactly the opposite.”
The official added that the top tier of the civil service had been “slow to recognise that this is a very different type of administration”, with “a large majority – a very clear mandate from the people”.
They added: “I don’t think a lot of senior civil servants have understood the scale of change.”
Representatives of Sir Philip were contacted for comment.
 
If it had been just Patel on her own, you might have a point. But it wasn't. It was her and Johnson portrayed in exactly the same way to make a point about the pair of them and how they behave.
OK, but I do feel I have 'a point' here.
Whilst it's true that both Patel & Johnson were are portrayed as bulls (?), only one of them is Hindu. Just because we might regard Patel as a vile, dangerous psychopath doesn't mean we have to accept a critical portrayal that either consciously, or not, draws attention to her faith background. There's plenty to throw at Patel without needing to enter territory that may well alienate a sizeable body of her co-religionists and elicit unwarranted sympathy for her as 'victim'.
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it gone quite due to you claiming to be a member of the left

without providing any sort of evidence

and then looking for an article from the telegraph...

Care to comment on the article? I know it doesn’t fit your narrative of choice.
 
Care to comment on the article? I know it doesn’t fit your narrative of choice.
I suspect is is a typical bit of unattributable briefing - throw some mud at Putnam, and hope that some sticks. And it doesn't really say much - some nameless civil servant has been wheeled out to say "I never saw Patel bulling anyone". Big fucking deal. From the sound of it - and we can only know when the tribunal happens - Putnam has a fairly extensive catalogue of incidents to relate...and his claims have been mirrored by others who have also made documented claims that they were bullied by Patel.

You're looking a lot like someone who's clutching at straws right now.
 
I’ve got no time for either Patel or an Oxbridge senior civil servant on circa £180k a year tbh and anyone who has had to work with politicians at a Council level will know that Patels alleged behaviour isn’t anything knew . Senior civil servants have been know to brief against both Labour and the Tories . Theres an inbuilt conservatism towards both pace and change irrespective of who is in office at that level and so called expertise can act as a block against a political agenda. Where the article does send out a message is when it says things are different as the Tories have a massive majority . I think that’s the essence here they want things done and done now. They’ve got be a bit careful though as coronavirus has thrown another plate in the air on top of Brexit, ‘levelling up ‘ and other issues they want to push on with.
Marty1 what did you mean when you said Patel had been brought in to drain the swamp ? what would that look like and entail ?
 
I suspect is is a typical bit of unattributable briefing - throw some mud at Putnam, and hope that some sticks. And it doesn't really say much - some nameless civil servant has been wheeled out to say "I never saw Patel bulling anyone". Big fucking deal. From the sound of it - and we can only know when the tribunal happens - Putnam has a fairly extensive catalogue of incidents to relate...and his claims have been mirrored by others who have also made documented claims that they were bullied by Patel.

Correct, so its all speculation at present but personally - based off Rutnam’s piss poor weak video statement to the press
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I’ve got no time for either Patel or an Oxbridge senior civil servant on circa £180k a year tbh and anyone who has had to work with politicians at a Council level will know that Patels alleged behaviour isn’t anything knew . Senior civil servants have been know to brief against both Labour and the Tories . Theres an inbuilt conservatism towards both pace and change irrespective of who is in office at that level and so called expertise can act as a block against a political agenda. Where the article does send out a message is when it says things are different as the Tories have a massive majority . I think that’s the essence here they want things done and done now. They’ve got be a bit careful though as coronavirus has thrown another plate in the air on top of Brexit, ‘levelling up ‘ and other issues they want to push on with.
Marty1 what did you mean when you said Patel had been brought in to drain the swamp ? what would that look like and entail ?

Fwiu, this draining of the swamp business may be to boot out civil servants who were behind frustrating Brexit and who may be trying to frustrate the govt further despite their clear mandate from the electorate.
 
Correct, so its all speculation at present but personally - based off Rutnam’s piss poor weak video statement to the press


Fwiu, this draining of the swamp business may be to boot out civil servants who were behind frustrating Brexit and who may be trying to frustrate the govt further despite their clear mandate from the electorate.
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Oh, just fuck off, would you? It's pretty fucking obvious that your heart's not really in it - you're just trotting out this bollocks for effect.
 
Correct, so its all speculation at present but personally - based off Rutnam’s piss poor weak video statement to the press


Fwiu, this draining of the swamp business may be to boot out civil servants who were behind frustrating Brexit and who may be trying to frustrate the govt further despite their clear mandate from the electorate.
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Not sure to what extent they were doing this tbh, Labour yes, Bercow yes, Lib Dems, SNP yes, a third of the Tories yes but no evidence that the civil service played a role.
 
Not sure to what extent they were doing this tbh, Labour yes, Bercow yes, Lib Dems, SNP yes, a third of the Tories yes but no evidence that the civil service played a role.

Well, that’s the speculation I’ve read in relation to draining the swamp.

On another note, you mention Bercow as a notable individual who played a part in frustrating Brexit - he was accused of bullying yet Jeremy Corbyn nominated him for a peerage!
 
Well, that’s the speculation I’ve read in relation to draining the swamp.

On another note, you mention Bercow as a notable individual who played a part in frustrating Brexit - he was accused of bullying yet Jeremy Corbyn nominated him for a peerage!
Do feel free to stop endlessly banging on about "draining the swamp". This attempt, so beloved of narrow-minded and ignorant right-wingers to just plonk US political culture on top of ours is boring, tedious, and usually completely inaccurate. It also makes you look clueless and like some kind of Trump fanboi.

And it's utterly irrelevant to the ongoing stupidity of Priti Patel.

And, FWIW, in relation to Bercow -"he was accused of bullying" (your own words). Accused. Months down the line and that accusation has amounted to nothing. It'd be a bit like if I accused you of being a silly cunt: it's only an accusation until it's reasonably well proven. Which, TBF, in your case, you do on a daily basis.
 
Do feel free to stop endlessly banging on about "draining the swamp". This attempt, so beloved of narrow-minded and ignorant right-wingers to just plonk US political culture on top of ours is boring, tedious, and usually completely inaccurate. It also makes you look clueless and like some kind of Trump fanboi.

And it's utterly irrelevant to the ongoing stupidity of Priti Patel.

And, FWIW, in relation to Bercow -"he was accused of bullying" (your own words). Accused. Months down the line and that accusation has amounted to nothing. It'd be a bit like if I accused you of being a silly cunt: it's only an accusation until it's reasonably well proven. Which, TBF, in your case, you do on a daily basis.

Please read upthread to understand my reply was in specific response to a question by another poster. I don’t need a running commentary from you. Go and get some breakfast and a coffee or something.
 
Well, that’s the speculation I’ve read in relation to draining the swamp.

On another note, you mention Bercow as a notable individual who played a part in frustrating Brexit - he was accused of bullying yet Jeremy Corbyn nominated him for a peerage!

The CS didn't attempt to frustrate Brexit - it didn't need to in the slightest. The continual missed deadlines for exit, lack of coherent Gvt policy, parliamentary deadlock, constant changing of priorities, unrealistic timescales and expectations did that all by themselves.

The lack of CS action was a result of all this, not the cause of it.
 
Do you agree with the point made in Farage’s tweet?

I think it’s fair to say that many on the left would be complaining of racism and misogyny if DA was being accused of bullying, yes?
Err except that everyone who knows DA - and that's me, and lots of others -know full well that there's absolutely ZERO chance of that happening.
Because, simply she never behaves like that.
 
Err except that everyone who knows DA - and that's me, and lots of others -know full well that there's absolutely ZERO chance of that happening.
Because, simply she never behaves like that.

But ... but ... you'd be accusing people of racism if DA was accused of doing something she's never been accused of

errrrm

oooh he's being dishonest again :thumbs:
 
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