The ongoing stupidity of Home Secretary Priti Patel

[brogdale]

Terrible appalling cartoon in the Guardian about Patel btw if it had been any other Asian woman in the HoC their would be uproar .

Yes, I put that up in the Guardian/shit thread.
It looks like Bell has portrayed a Hindu woman as a cow or bull.
On the face of it, that looks straightforwardly racist...unless I'm missing something?

 

[brogdale]

Yeah, don’t think she’s backing down.

In that she's not resigned?
That's not really news or unexpected, is it?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Yes, I put that up in the Guardian/shit thread.
It looks like Bell has portrayed a Hindu woman as a cow or bull.
On the face of it, that looks straightforwardly racist...unless I'm missing something?

I think I've seen this on twitter. A cartoon of both Patel and Johnson with rings through their noses, looking 'bullish'? It wasn't of Patel alone was it? Given the bullish, way their both behave and the amount of bullshit they both spout I am not sure what problem you can have with it tbh.

Was there a reference to her being HIndu? I don't think I saw one.

 

[brogdale]

I think I've seen this on twitter. A cartoon of both Patel and Johnson with rings through their noses, looking 'bullish'? It wasn't of Patel alone was it? Given the bullish, way their both behave and the amount of bullshit they both spout I am not sure what problem you can have with it tbh.

Was there a reference to her being HIndu? I don't think I saw one.

Yes, both her caricature & Johnson's were portrayed as 'bulls' with horns, nose-rings and cloven hoofs.
I'm sure Bell would argue that his intent was a satirical portrayal of their bull-headedness etc. But it does seem to me, at the very least, grossly insensitive to portray someone of the Hindu faith as a bull. Especially coming from an organ that ordinarily might be expected to pick up quickly on such sensitivities.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I think that's a reach tbh. If it were along the lines of a sacred cow or mad cow and her alone I think you'd be right. But it isn't and it is obviously about their bullish behaviour and utter bullshit.

Her husband described her as his personal piranha, 'because she's small and quite combative'.

 

[Marty1]

In that she's not resigned?
That's not really news or unexpected, is it?

Has this civil servant chap apologised yet or is he ploughing on with legal business?

 

[two sheds]

Why should he apologize?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Why should he apologize?

Because Farty1 is trolling...

 

[two sheds]

Indeed, interesting that he thinks people need to apologize for being bullied though.

 

[Marty1]

Why should he apologize?

Using his personage to politicise his professional hubris?

 

[two sheds]

Bollocks. So people who are abused should apologize to their abusers.

 

[Humberto]

My mate Spud-Gun reckons Priti Patel is only interested in her own career! (and being evil obvs)

 

[teqniq]

Careering towards catasrophe hopefully.

 

[Streathamite]

Boris had Priti sitting next to him, perhaps as a show of support.

From what I’ve been hearing Priti has been sent in to drain the civil servant swamp, if that’s the case, then no wonder they’re crying foul.

Anybody who unthinkingly parrots the 'drain the swamp' bollocks really hasn't got an effing clue about government

 

[Streathamite]

Left of centre to put it mildly.

If you really think that, you're a complete idiot -also put very mildly.

 

[Marty1]

Bollocks. So people who are abused should apologize to their abusers.

Well that would be like saying identity politics only works one way.

Hold on a min....!

 

[two sheds]

What the fuck are you talking about? Someone bullies a person they have power over, and you think the bully is the one deserving an apology.

You'd think that at your workplace too would you? Your boss bullies you and you should be the one to apologize?

 

[Marty1]

What the fuck are you talking about? Someone bullies a person they have power over, and you think the bully is the one deserving an apology.

You'd think that at your workplace too would you? Your boss bullies you and you should be the one to apologize?

No, no and no.

Ive already alluded to the point I was making in a more concise way upthread if you aren’t deliberately playing dumb.

 

[two sheds]

No, no and no.

Ive already alluded to the point I was making in a more concise way upthread if you aren’t deliberately playing dumb.

As in "Using his personage to politicise his professional hubris?" You're just using abstract words to confuse the issue. He's accused her of bullying him in the workplace. You say he shouldn't follow that up in an employment tribunal. So you're saying an employer should be able to bully someone they have power over with no response. An abuser should be able to abuse with no recourse.

 

[Humberto]

I wouldn't trust Patel with my kids or anyone elses.

 

[Humberto]

Fucking brownshirts

 

[Marty1]

As in "Using his personage to politicise his professional hubris?" You're just using abstract words to confuse the issue. He's accused her of bullying him in the workplace. You say he shouldn't follow that up in an employment tribunal. So you're saying an employer should be able to bully someone they have power over with no response. An abuser should be able to abuse with no recourse.

Further up-thread.

 

[two sheds]

Further up-thread.

Good because talking about 'personages' just makes you look a twat.

 

[Streathamite]

Using his personage to politicise his professional hubris?

Utter bullshit. He has done absolutely no such thing

 

[Shechemite]

Terrible appalling cartoon in the Guardian about Patel btw if it had been any other Asian woman in the HoC their would be uproar .

Bell has form

 

[redsquirrel]

Yes, both her caricature & Johnson's were portrayed as 'bulls' with horns, nose-rings and cloven hoofs.
I'm sure Bell would argue that his intent was a satirical portrayal of their bull-headedness etc. But it does seem to me, at the very least, grossly insensitive to portray someone of the Hindu faith as a bull. Especially coming from an organ that ordinarily might be expected to pick up quickly on such sensitivities.

The hypocrisy I agree on but are you really saying that satirists have to accommodate the religious sensitivities of those they are mocking? If Bell's cartoon was racist then what about Jesus and Mo?

 

[brogdale]

The hypocrisy I agree on but are you really saying that satirists have to accommodate the religious sensitivities of those they are mocking? If Bell's cartoon was racist then what about Jesus and Mo?

No, essentially I believe that when it comes to supernatural belief systems, no-one has the right not to be offended, but that shouldn't cause people to desist from challenging material that appears to have racist undertones (conscious or not).
Some satirical characterisations can and do cause offence and some may well appear racist and, as you say, there's a fair dollop of hypocrisy coming from a paper that would normally like to present as 'progressive' and 'inclusive'.

 

[existentialist]

Has this civil servant chap apologised yet or is he ploughing on with legal business?

Have you apologised?

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Isn't this Patel woman the person who believes we should have the death penalty for treason? And isn't that basically what she was found to be guilty of at some point?

 

[SpineyNorman]

As in "Using his personage to politicise his professional hubris?" You're just using abstract words to confuse the issue. He's accused her of bullying him in the workplace. You say he shouldn't follow that up in an employment tribunal. So you're saying an employer should be able to bully someone they have power over with no response. An abuser should be able to abuse with no recourse.

That's basically the essence of Tory politics. Marty is a sweaty little Tory so I don't know why this would come as a surprise.