The mother of the soldier who is being allowed to freak out on air.

[untethered]

How many MPs have children in the forces?

I have no idea. What's your point?

(Incidentally one MP fought in the first Gulf War.)

 

[weltweit]

I have no idea. What's your point?

(Incidentally one MP fought in the first Gulf War.)

If it were MPs and ministers own children out in harms way, I expect there would be rather more helicopters and body armour.

 

[weltweit]

How would you feel if your child went to war and because of a lack of helicopters your child bled to death?

And that is why it is condescending when Brown says he understands her grief. He is the cause of her grief!

 

[Ralph Masters]

And that is why it is condescending when Brown says he understands her grief. He is the cause of her grief!

thye woman's on medication and is bewildered, there is no proof that he bled to death because of a lack of helicopters, so no one knows

 

[Spion]

How would you feel if your child went to war and because of a lack of helicopters your child bled to death?

He didn't bleed to death because of a lack of helicopters. He was killed by an explosive device set by somebody who didn't want him in their country.

 

[untethered]

He didn't bleed to death because of a lack of helicopters. He was killed by an explosive device set by somebody who didn't want him in their country.

Quite.

 

[weltweit]

How would you feel if your child went to war and because of a lack of helicopters your child bled to death?

thye woman's on medication and is bewildered, there is no proof that he bled to death because of a lack of helicopters, so no one knows

Come on, get your story straight!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I feel very sorry for her. She is in pain and is being manipulated by the Sun, who are scum for doing it. Brown is scum for causing the war in the first place.

Feeling very sorry for her doesn't stop me thinking that she and proud army mums across the country are horribly misguided in their sense of pride in their sons' chosen paths. It is possible both to feel sorry for someone and to profoundly disagree with their outlook.

 

[Spion]

Hmmm.... the 'liberal compassion' on here is hilarious. Tut tut, compassion for a solider and his family, ooo no sir, far too nationalistic and wacist....

I'd be fascinated how the wadicals on here would deal with someone like Rose Gentle whose teenage son died in Iraq in 2004. She-unsurprisingly as a bereaved and angry mother-called for better equipment for troops that another mother might not be in her place.

The only way to guarantee another is not in her place is to not send troops there in the first place. That would be the most unsurprising response. To call for better equipment to resist a bunch of peasants with AKs is just stupid, and yes, pro-war. There will always be casualties in an occupying force in those circumstances

 

[Ralph Masters]

Come on, get your story straight!

he first quote is hers, the second is mine

 

[weltweit]

Well I don't know about you, but I am agin it !!

 

[Spion]

That's a good point. She doesn't get called a 'warmongering prick' on here, does she? Why not?

If she makes a dick of herself in the national media in the near future I'm sure we can oblige

 

[ViolentPanda]

The woman is saying if there were more helicopters her son wouldn't have bled to death,

Easy to say, very hard to prove. Some wounds just can't be stabilised, whether there's a chopper available to medevac you or not.

 

[Ralph Masters]

Easy to say, very hard to prove. Some wounds just can't be stabilised, whether there's a chopper available to medevac you or not.

no, nor does she, Maybe it's not worth putting £52 millions worth of equipment at risk for I life? The generals must have to make some cruel decisions

 

[Fedayn]

The only way to guarantee another is not in her place is to not send troops there in the first place. That would be the most unsurprising response. To call for better equipment to resist a bunch of peasants with AKs is just stupid, and yes, pro-war. There will always be casualties in an occupying force in those circumstances

Apart from the fact that Rose and others want the troops out what is she meant to do. She's a mother grieving for her son asking why he was so young and so ill equipped. Of course you would be perfectly eloquent and utterly at one with marx on hearing such news. I salute your perfection oh mighty one.

 

[Fedayn]

If she makes a dick of herself in the national media in the near future I'm sure we can oblige

I'd pay for you to come up here to say it to her face and her family.

 

[rover07]

no, nor does she, Maybe it's not worth putting £52 millions worth of equipment at risk for I life? The generals must have to make some cruel decisions

Not even close i would have thought.

Most squaddies leave after say 10 years at most. A soldier dying is the same as a soldier leaving, probably cheaper if a pension is factored in.How much would his training cost? £30k say.

 

[untethered]

She's a mother grieving for her son asking why he was so young

That's not a mystery.

 

[Cobbles]

The only way to guarantee another is not in her place is to not send troops there in the first place. That would be the most unsurprising response. To call for better equipment to resist a bunch of peasants with AKs is just stupid, and yes, pro-war. There will always be casualties in an occupying force in those circumstances

Indeed anyone who's seen the number of memorials commemorating the casualties suffered by generations of British and Colonial regiments that line the Khyber pass will realise the futility of attempting to civilise Afghanistan:

We should just leave quitely and nuke the whole barren dustbowl into glass so that nobody can grow narcotics there anymore.

 

[Fedayn]

That's not a mystery.

You know what I was meaning. He was barely out of training and into Iraq.

 

[newbie]

Yes, but the right wing press are using this to bash Brown and get Cameron in.

so we should be cheering him and covering up his woeful gaffes because the Etonian will be worse?

 

[untethered]

You know what I was meaning. He was barely out of training and into Iraq.

So? Are you suggesting that soldiers shouldn't be sent to war until they reach a certain age? 25, perhaps?

 

[weltweit]

... We should just leave quitely and nuke the whole barren dustbowl into glass so that nobody can grow narcotics there anymore.

Its a nice plan, but you can be sure six months later on Al Jazeera there would be another flipping video from our old buddy Osama to rile us up again!

 

[mattie]

so we should be cheering him and covering up his woeful gaffes because the Etonian will be worse?

Perhaps just not rattling on about trivialities like a letter he sent.

 

[Spion]

I'd pay for you to come up here to say it to her face and her family.

Cool. Will you send me the train fare in the post or by bank transfer? Can I stay at your place too?

What am I supposed to be saying to all these people? Remind me.

 

[rover07]

So? Are you suggesting that soldiers shouldn't be sent to war until they reach a certain age? 25, perhaps?

And the enemy are not allowed to shoot back.

What is this shit view that soldiers are unwilling victims. They choose to fight. They WANT to fight.

 

[Fedayn]

So? Are you suggesting that soldiers shouldn't be sent to war until they reach a certain age? 25, perhaps?

A woman grieving for her son.... You're clearly utterly alien to the whole concept of a mother grieving for her son.

 

[Spion]

Of course you would be perfectly eloquent and utterly at one with marx on hearing such news. I salute your perfection oh mighty one.

You need to do something about your self esteem, mate

 

[Fedayn]

Cool. Will you send me the train fare in the post or by bank transfer? Can I stay at your place too?

What am I supposed to be saying to all these people? Remind me.

Reminding her of her stupidity.

 

[untethered]

Brown "wears poppy at disrespectfully jaunty angle":

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...0250/Queen-shows-Gordon-Brown-what-to-do.html