ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
rocketman said:
My wife made the same comment while listening to the news last evening.
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My wife made the same comment while listening to the news last evening.
bluestreak
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TonkaToy said:
neither a smear, a lie, nor an accusation. explain to me how opposing bosses exploitation of the workers by opposing foreigners entering the country doesn't amount to either racism or siding with the bosses against the workers?
the only valid argument against immigration is that it fucks over the british working classes, and the only valid solution that doesn't involve racism therefore is class unity. IMO obv.
you can't oppose immigration on these grounds without either being a racist or an enemy of the working class. i'm quite willing to agree that you're not a racist, because i know that you see the working classes as a resource to be exploited.
did you ever answer my question about how you reconcile your thatcherite economic views with your opposition to mass immigration? you can't have it both ways you know.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
this has pretty much always been the case with immigrants, and its, ironically, only this countries immigration laws that stop them doing just that. Of course when the borders are first opened up there will be a large movement in one direction, in future years (especially once many of the myths about earning loads of money are exploded) there will likely be an even balance.rocketman said:
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Actually, patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, you tit.tbaldwin said:
And I haven't accused you of being a Stalinist or a Nazi (just in case you hadn't noticed in your rush to post a load of bollocks).
Except that anyone who knows a bit of 20th century British history will know 2 things:
1) The establishment kept Jews (with, literally, a handful of exceptions) out of the judiciary until the late latter half of the 20th century.
2) They wanted to dismantle the judiciary for the same reason you do: to establish a different balance of control.
And have you fail to show like last time?
I'm not pretending you're a closet member of the right, balders, I'm pointing out you're as soapy as fuck, that your own personal interpretation of "socialism" that you keep touting on these boards includes policies that were propagated by the likes of Moseley etc 60 years ago, and that their reasons for doing so are similar to reasons you've given on various threads, i.e. to take control of education and criminal justice away from the current so-alled "elite" and to place it in other hands.
ViolentPanda said:
In the 90s when the BNP and Combat 18 were gaining ground there were lots of people who might claim to be militant anti fascists.....But only about 40 in London who actually took them on and stopped them from organising.....
A few others like AFA played some part.. I think id know most of those 40 and also anyone who was involved in AFA for any length of time.......
I definetely dont think many people on U75 have ever been that involved in anti fascism.....
Do you mean Searchlight on the photos?
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
And your brain is the size of a walnut.
I win.
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
I'm in favour of putting folk like you in Broadmoor, where they can't do any more damage to the wider public.
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
Change the record, this one's broken.
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
What, you mean like the 'arguments' that you've constructed? You should be writing for Hollywood.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
rocketman said:
Sadly true.
What really curdles my blood is the efficient (I can't think of another word that's apt) way in which the media and the government have managed to utilise the "fear of other" that the so-called "war against terror" generated, and turn it so that it generates friction against people who can perfectly legitimately under European law (a law first settled in 1992 under the Single European Act, just in case any of the tories on the board would care to acknowledge the fact) seek jobs here, even establishing a discourse where people view these temporary migrants as the same as someone migrating here to settle.
nino_savatte
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Oh look who's turned up: baldwin's bitch. 
ViolentPanda said:Sadly true.
What really curdles my blood is the efficient (I can't think of another word that's apt) way in which the media and the government have managed to utilise the "fear of other" that the so-called "war against terror" generated, and turn it so that it generates friction against people who can perfectly legitimately under European law (a law first settled in 1992 under the Single European Act, just in case any of the tories on the board would care to acknowledge the fact) seek jobs here, even establishing a discourse where people view these temporary migrants as the same as someone migrating here to settle.
I think the media reflects growing concern about immigration...Sun and Mail readers are more likely to be competing for Jobs and Housing and there editorial line reflects that....
Whilst Guardian and Independent readers are quite likely to be people who make money out immigration, landlords,solicitors, bosses etc and there editorial lines also reflects that.
tbaldwin said:
Well, mate, at least I know my own aunty. (Hint: You need to know your own parents first).
Shouts loud: referee, look, he started it!
I'm not really following this post, but I reckon your knowledge of immigration history and theory is about level with the knowledge you have of anatomy, or else you'd know aunties don't have dicks.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
tbaldwin said:
In the nineties?
Fuck me, not only a big-up merchant, but a Johnny-come-lately too!!
What do you think was going on in the from the late 70s through to the nineties then, you prat, chopped fucking liver?
Who do you think were out there chasing off the NF and the other scumbags, spending time every weekend night making sure the "paki-bashers" and "queer-bashers" (usually the same bonehead cunts) were the ones who actually got based?
And no, I don't mean Searchlight, I mean the wankers that supply the pictures to Gerry and his idiot children.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
tbaldwin said:
Not me.
ViolentPanda said:
balder's socialism as only on here seen as wierd .. in the real world it is seen as quite normal .. it is what most people see as Old Labour / Social Democratic .. a left wing state that plans leads etc etc that is not RUN by the bosses .. he actually belives in, that peoples fighting for reforms we will move us more surely to socialism that the lefts blanquist/leninist stuntism and elitism ..
now IF you want to slag off TB it is on this grounds and these alone that you have ANY right
his opposition to current immigration is quite rightly based upon the fact that it is clearly purely a tool of the bosses to cut wages ( to deal with the threat of the far east) ..
the idea that he is racist or right wing is frankly ludicrous .. and only a middle class liberal could come to that conclusion
your categorisation of TB as right wing actually shows HOW DEEPLY neo liberalist/thatcherite ideology has permeated into the left wing movement where leftwingers are championning individuals rights to be part of an immigration which is clearly designed to undercut w/c communities .. and opposing Trade Unions / working class people who fight for their collectives against this attack .. tragic ..
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
You continue to display some brazenly naive ideas about the media generally. Interesting how you cite two of the most reactionary organs in the country, while displaying similar reactionary views yourself, though claiming -all the while - that you're some sort of model lefty (though you continue to use the language of a typical redbaiter...you know what a "red baiter" is, I take it?).
durruti02 said:
Well, I have come to the conclusion that he is a very rude bloke, and so I don't like him for that. Why slag off a statement of truth with something personally offensive about my auntie? What cheek. His attitude there leads me to believe his brand of socialism wouldnn't be so different from what we have today. He's fucked up, rude and aggressive. So ignore him.
ViolentPanda
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tbaldwin said:
I think you've misread the Mail's demographic there. Most of their customer research over the last 20 yrs shows them as having a mostly home-owner readership.
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