The Brexit process

[gosub]

Boris Johnson's diplomacy will save the day:

"“He basically said: ‘I don’t want free movement of people but I want the single market,’” he told Bloomberg. “I said: ‘No way.’ He said: ‘You’ll sell less prosecco.’ I said: ‘OK, you’ll sell less fish and chips, but I’ll sell less prosecco to one country and you’ll sell less to 27 countries.’ Putting things on this level is a bit insulting.”
European ministers ridicule Boris Johnson after prosecco claim

Actually have just heard the bloke on the radio, he sounds like a pillock. We ARE there second largest export market for wine and we drink a fuck of a lot of prosecco http://italianwinecentral.com/italian-wine-exports-by-destination/ Is there even an export market for fish and chips? (Straight fish yes but thats a different thing). Ain't Mr Calenda's job to think about the other 27 nations

 

[Raheem]

Actually have just heard the bloke on the radio, he sounds like a pillock. We ARE there second largest export market for wine and we drink a fuck of a lot of prosecco http://italianwinecentral.com/italian-wine-exports-by-destination/ Is there even an export market for fish and chips? (Straight fish yes but thats a different thing). Ain't Mr Calenda's job to think about the other 27 nations

I didn't hear what you heard, so maybe the guy is a pillock, I have no idea.

However, I think you're missing the point. It's not that fish and chips might somehow cancel prosecco, but that Johnson's attitude appears pathetic and worrying, and that a nonsense proposition merits a nonsense response. The idea that the integrity of the EU can be trumped by reminding Johnny Foreigner that he exports to us was a tidy bit of bullshit for the referendum campaign, but it doesn't relate very well to the reality of the situation we are now in. We're told that there's no plan, which is one thing, but what we have here suggests that our most senior diplomat hasn't actually spent much time thinking about the implications of Brexit since he thought "oh fuck" just after the result.

 

[gosub]

I didn't hear what you heard, so maybe the guy is a pillock, I have no idea.

However, I think you're missing the point. It's not that fish and chips might somehow cancel prosecco, but that Johnson's attitude appears pathetic and worrying, and that a nonsense proposition merits a nonsense response. The idea that the integrity of the EU can be trumped by reminding Johnny Foreigner that he exports to us was a tidy bit of bullshit for the referendum campaign, but it doesn't relate very well to the reality of the situation we are now in. We're told that there's no plan, which is one thing, but what we have here suggests that our most senior diplomat hasn't actually spent much time thinking about the implications of Brexit since he thought "oh fuck" just after the result.

No, do have my concerns on plan, but what you have here is Boris painting detail and being confronted with a bloke doing symbolism. I had my worries about whether we had the quality of UK politician to see us through this. What is only just occurring to me is our counter parts are equally dumbed down. Dijsselbloem yesterday didn't know the likes of Norway ain't in customs union, mind you we've got the BBC's finest spouting bullshit about not being able to do trade deals if you are in a customs union, Turkey anyone?

 

[Raheem]

No, do have my concerns on plan, but what you have here is Boris painting detail and being confronted with a bloke doing symbolism. I had my worries about whether we had the quality of UK politician to see us through this. What is only just occurring to me is our counter parts are equally dumbed down. Dijsselbloem yesterday didn't know the likes of Norway ain't in customs union, mind you we've got the BBC's finest spouting bullshit about not being able to do trade deals if you are in a customs union, Turkey anyone?

From the account we have, Johnson (please don't call him Boris!) was not "painting detail". It was his opening gambit. Stupid on multiple levels.

 

[gosub]

From the account we have, Johnson (please don't call him Boris!) was not "painting detail". It was his opening gambit. Stupid on multiple levels.

It is a detail (badly painted, Germany is Italy's largest wine export market, UK 2nd), who the fuck is exporting fish and chips? And he went public. There's a lot more reason for Italians to be urked by Calenda than the set back to Just Eat

 

[Raheem]

It is a detail (badly painted, Germany is Italy's largest wine export market, UK 2nd), who the fuck is exporting fish and chips? And he went public. There's a lot more reason for Italians to be urked by Calenda than the set back to Just Eat

You're still not getting it. Reminding Italy about wine exports is tantamount to talking gibberish because (a) they've already thought about that and (b) it's not high on their list of concerns over Brexit. It's not really anything to do with the game we're in. You may as well talk about fish and chips, or DVDs of Ground Force, or upper-class morons, or any of our other meaningless exports.

 

[gosub]

You're still not getting it. Reminding Italy about wine exports is tantamount to talking gibberish because (a) they've already thought about that and (b) it's not high on their list of concerns over Brexit. It's not really anything to do with the game we're in. You may as well talk about fish and chips, or DVDs of Ground Force, or upper-class morons, or any of our other meaningless exports.

They are, according to the Irish, one of the ones more driven by movement of people. I get that. But its this minister being blasee with his own countries industry rather than Boris fucking up.


Exports aren't meaningless.

 

[DotCommunist]

everyone knows chips are shit if you don't eat them straight away

 

[bimble]

Boris Johnson is just saying we can have our prosecco & drink it too, just as he kept saying during the campaign. That's what people want to hear but doesn't mean it's actually possible.


I still don't think proper brexiting is really going to happen, don't think the government will sacrifice free trade in order to stop EU citizens from coming here to work, if that ends up being the choice.
http://whatukthinks.org/eu/wp-conte...s-paper-9-What-do-voters-want-from-Brexit.pdf

 

[gosub]

Boris Johnson is just saying we can have our prosecco & drink it too, just as he kept saying during the campaign. That's what people want to hear but doesn't mean it's actually possible.

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I still don't think proper brexiting is really going to happen, don't think the government will sacrifice free trade in order to stop EU citizens from coming here to work, if that ends up being the choice.
http://whatukthinks.org/eu/wp-conte...s-paper-9-What-do-voters-want-from-Brexit.pdf

I think he might accidentally break the EUropean Union. Ho Hum.

 

[teqniq]

Scottish and Welsh governments can intervene on Brexit, Supreme Court rules

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Priceless, couldnt make it up etc.

Anger after Daily Express confuses Ireland and Northern Ireland on Brexit tea caddy - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

 

[butchersapron]

Anger after

 

[andysays]

Drop Brexit case appeal, senior Tories urge May

Theresa May should abandon an appeal against the court ruling that means MPs must vote on the UK leaving the EU, leading Conservatives say. Sir Oliver Letwin, former head of the government's Brexit preparations, and two former law officers said the case should not go to the Supreme Court. Instead, they want ministers to bring a bill to Parliament to start the process of Brexit as soon as possible.

The MPs voiced their concerns after the Supreme Court decided on Friday that the Scottish and Welsh governments should have a say at the appeal hearing in December. Former minister Sir Oliver, who oversaw a "Brexit Unit" in the Cabinet Office after the referendum, told BBC Radio 4's Today Programme that the Supreme Court hearing could see ministers' powers outside Parliament curbed.

He added that one of the advantages of bringing a "fast and tightly timetabled and constrained bill" to Parliament, giving the government the ability to trigger Brexit without any constraints on its negotiating power, was that it avoided "any risk of the Supreme Court deciding to accord the devolved administrations some rights or even some veto powers" over triggering Article 50.

 

[Poi E]

Fucking uppity jocks and taffs. Why can't they be more like Arlene Foster?

 

[03gills]

Fucking hell Tim.

 

[CrabbedOne]

Fucking uppity jocks and taffs. Why can't they be more like Arlene Foster?

That's the start of the Krav Maga Leaping Kishke move.

 

[DotCommunist]

why is she going to martial arts captain birdseye

 

[CrabbedOne]

On Mainly Macro The folly of triggering Article 50

Well the UK will have to do it but simply winging it with no consensus even among the Three Brexiteers about what the desired end state is would be a bungle too far even for a wealthy country like the UK.

A50 was set up to be a two year trap where the exiting country is at a severe disadvantage. That's fair enough; welching on contracts often carries penalties. This is something that needed to clearly expressed to voters to set expectations of no quick departure. If Dave had triggered it as promised immediately when the vote went Leave the UK would be in a panicking mess as it was clearly completely unprepared. Clearly the country needed time to figure out its priorities and lay in the Civil Service manpower. Ideally this would have been expressed in a detailed white paper that was refined before any referendum was held. But that's more the way the careful Scots do things. The excitable English prefer blithering forward preferably behind an Etonian in a confidently vague fug.

The constraints in fact may be simply that the remaining EU countries in a short time simply won't be able to agree to anything but a very disorderly hard Brexit and it'll take the best part of a decade to repair the UK-Europe trade relationships. With a protectionist Trump likely to be rocking the globalised boat at the same time this is looking even more difficult.

 

[Diamond]

On Mainly Macro The folly of triggering Article 50

Well the UK will have to do it but simply winging it with no consensus even among the Three Brexiteers about what the desired end state is would be a bungle too far even for a wealthy country like the UK.

A50 was set up to be a two year trap where the exiting country is at a severe disadvantage. That's fair enough; welching on contracts often carries penalties. This is something that needed to clearly expressed to voters to set expectations of no quick departure. If Dave had triggered it as promised immediately when the vote went Leave the UK would be in a panicking mess as it was clearly completely unprepared. Clearly the country needed time to figure out its priorities and lay in the Civil Service manpower. Ideally this would have been expressed in a detailed white paper that was refined before any referendum was held. But that's more the way the careful Scots do things. The excitable English prefer blithering forward preferably behind an Etonian in a confidently vague fug.

The constraints in fact may be simply that the remaining EU countries in a short time simply won't be able to agree to anything but a very disorderly hard Brexit and it'll take the best part of a decade to repair the UK-Europe trade relationships. With a protectionist Trump likely to be rocking the globalised boat at the same time this is looking even more difficult.

Careful Scots!

What nonsense - they didn't even know what currency that they would be using at day 0!

 

[brogdale]

Them faces.

 

[Raheem]

Them faces.

Not negotiable? Seriously? Do they simply not care about what it's going to do to prosecco sales?

 

[Santino]

They'll be denied access to our innovative jams.

 

[mojo pixy]

tbf we do a good line in sarcasm, we just need to monetise it better

 

[DotCommunist]

think of it, article 50 is merely the decree nisi. This shits going to drag on for ages and germany will get the kids

 

[mojo pixy]

Soon we'll get to the bit where the Rump UK joins the USA and Oceania is founded. After all, we have always been at war with Eurasia.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Them faces.

Looks like a police interview room. "Listen Dave, we can do brexit the hard way or the easy way ... now why dont you tell us what you were doing on June 23rd .."

 

[Pickman's model]

Them faces.

the man at the end of the table is cia agent and sometime director saul berenson

 

[gosub]

the man at the end of the table is cia agent and sometime director saul berenson

That s Inigo Montoya

Spoiler

Prepare to die!

 

[SpookyFrank]

As the Irish Times said, it won't be the Germans that are the problem. Any shut down of borders, particularly in the wake of the migration crisis in the Med, will impact most on Med countries. Any deal that the likes of Farage would like, would make harder these countries call for the rest of the EU to share the burden.

Poland may also be less than thrilled, with the interests of over half a million UK based citizens to think about.