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[Pickman's model]

That's precisely not what I'm doing.

i'm sure TopCat had in mind the people who wrote and performed such material as 'shake and vac' 'go compare' and of course 'just one cornetto', which may not often feature in the annals of popular music but have had such an effect on millions of people

 

[TopCat]

And there you go again. Belittling musicians and the creative industry. Shameful, really.

Not a mite shameful especially compared with demands to ignore the vote of 17 million leave voters.

 

[editor]

Not a mite shameful especially compared with demands to ignore the vote of 17 million leave voters.

Who's been making those 'demands' to 'ignore' those votes here?

 

[andysays]

Not a mite shameful especially compared with demands to ignore the vote of 17 million leave voters.

That's "17 million anti-creative Leave voters" if you don't mind.

 

[editor]

That's "17 million anti-creative Leave voters" if you don't mind.

Nice quote! Where's it from?

 

[andysays]

Nice quote! Where's it from?

It isn't a direct quote, but you have a number of times described those of us who voted Leave as being anti-creative, as well as implying that those of us who don't work in the "creative industries" are somehow lesser beings, so I think it captures your position (or at least how your position often comes across to me) quite well.

Call it creative licence if you like.

 

[editor]

It isn't a direct quote, but you have a number of times described those of us who voted Leave as being anti-creative, as well as implying that those of us who don't work in the "creative industries" are somehow lesser beings, so I think it captures your position (or at least how your position often comes across to me) quite well.

Call it creative licence if you like.

Well that fact-free, rather bizarre and slightly paranoid stream of unhinged nonsense is certainly all coming right out of your head.

No one has accused you or anyone else of being 'lesser beings,' you weirdo.

But some posters certainly have appeared to have depressingly dismissive and belittling attitudes to musicians and those in the creative industries in previous posts. Remind me why they're going on about 'jingles' again?

*typo corrected

 

[brogdale]

a partial, one-week summary:

Partial being the operative word here in trolley land.

 

[andysays]

Remind me why they're going on about 'jungles' again?

I dunno, is that a style of music the young people are into these days?

 

[Loose meat]

First they came for the ski instructors
Then they came for the bongo drummers

 

[Loose meat]

here's something from the ... checks notes ... creative arts >>

 

[brogdale]

Checks notes is an anagram of #craftywank

 

[Loose meat]

but won't someone think of road managers >>

 

[editor]

but won't someone think of road managers >>

So in your opinion, every single job you've posted here is a direct result of Brexit, and wouldn't have existed without it? Or are you just acting like some hyperbolic Tory PR outlet, where we're supposed to celebrate every new job being created (while ignoring the jobs being lost, the hardships being suffered by others and the shitty working conditions for many)?

 

[Loose meat]

Here's the current business view on Brexit

Eight in 10 businesses believe Brexit will cause long-term hurt for UK economy

An exclusive poll for i shows that firms feel the Government had not done enough to support them through Brexit

inews.co.uk

It's a factual response to the relentlessly negative bollocks you put up about tambourine players, etc, Mr Creative guy

That's factual jobs for 6,000 familes. One announcement, today.

 

[editor]

It's a factual response to the relentlessly negative bollocks you put up about tambourine players, etc, Mr Creative guy

That's factual jobs for 6,000 familes. One announcement, today.

So you are asserting that all these jobs are being solely created because of Brexit then. Could you explain how?

 

[Yossarian]

So in your opinion, every single job you've posted here is a direct result of Brexit, and wouldn't have existed without it? Or are you just acting like some hyperbolic Tory PR outlet, where we're supposed to celebrate every new job being created (while ignoring the jobs being lost, the hardships being suffered by others and the shitty working conditions for many)?

The sad part is that "lol, fuck your stupid fake job, loser" is probably official Conservative Party policy.

 

[editor]

Here's some more facts. From today:

Tory MPs who hyped Brexit fishing benefits have abandoned us, fishermen say

National Federation of Fisherman’s Organisations says European Research Group have gone ‘very quiet’ on issue

www.independent.co.uk

David Frost admits Brexit has made it ‘too much trouble’ for firms to trade with Northern Ireland

It’s ‘reasonable’ for British firms to give up, says deal negotiator – adding, ‘They decide it’s just not worth it’

www.independent.co.uk

British fishing industry warns of ‘toxic’ post-Brexit EU-UK relations

Boris Johnson accused of breaking promises on quotas and control of domestic waters

www.ft.com

And from the last 24 hours

'Devastating': Crops left to rot in England as Brexit begins to bite

Brexit -- the effects of which kicked in at the start of the year -- means hiring migrant pickers from eastern Europe is now much harder.

www.euronews.com

EU academics are doing their research… and they don’t like the look of post-Brexit Britain | FE News

| EU academics are doing their research… and they don’t like the look of post-Brexit Britain

www.fenews.co.uk

Government legal bills leap by 27% due to Brexit

Government legal bills have surged to a four-year high, with Brexit driving a billing bonanza for City law firms advising Whitehall, research has revealed.Over

www.thetimes.co.uk

Go wave your flag to that lot.

 

[Raheem]

It's a factual response to the relentlessly negative bollocks you put up about tambourine players, etc, Mr Creative guy

That's factual jobs for 6,000 familes. One announcement, today.

I'm not saying it's not wonderful, but it appears to be a speculative planning application with no money behind it, rather than "factual jobs".

 

[Smokeandsteam]

So you are asserting that all these jobs are being solely created because of Brexit then. Could you explain how?

Here's merely copying the continuity remain loons who post on here and claim that every job lost or bottle of Gin unsold is a direct result of voting to leave. Both sides have got their crank fringe.

 

[Pickman's model]

Here's some more facts. From today:

Tory MPs who hyped Brexit fishing benefits have abandoned us, fishermen say

National Federation of Fisherman’s Organisations says European Research Group have gone ‘very quiet’ on issue

www.independent.co.uk

David Frost admits Brexit has made it ‘too much trouble’ for firms to trade with Northern Ireland

It’s ‘reasonable’ for British firms to give up, says deal negotiator – adding, ‘They decide it’s just not worth it’

www.independent.co.uk

British fishing industry warns of ‘toxic’ post-Brexit EU-UK relations

Boris Johnson accused of breaking promises on quotas and control of domestic waters

www.ft.com

And from the last 24 hours

'Devastating': Crops left to rot in England as Brexit begins to bite

Brexit -- the effects of which kicked in at the start of the year -- means hiring migrant pickers from eastern Europe is now much harder.

www.euronews.com

EU academics are doing their research… and they don’t like the look of post-Brexit Britain | FE News

| EU academics are doing their research… and they don’t like the look of post-Brexit Britain

www.fenews.co.uk

Government legal bills leap by 27% due to Brexit

Government legal bills have surged to a four-year high, with Brexit driving a billing bonanza for City law firms advising Whitehall, research has revealed.Over

www.thetimes.co.uk

Go wave your flag to that lot.

could you explain the nature and relevance of your links as per the faq? i'm not sure which of the facts in the reports you link to are the ones you're trying to share with us.

 

[editor]

Here's merely copying the continuity remain loons who post on here and claim that every job lost or bottle of Gin unsold is a direct result of voting to leave. Both sides have got their crank fringe.

Sorry, who has done that? Could you give some examples?

From my own personal experience, Brexit has indeed fucked me over although I know the concerns of the 'jingle writers' and 'tambourine players' (i.e. the music industry) are quick to be dismissed and belittled here.

Oh and what's a 'continuity remain loon'?

 

[editor]

could you explain the nature and relevance of your links as per the faq? i'm not sure which of the facts in the reports you link to are the ones you're trying to share with us.
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Good job I added both words and context to those links, you woefully backfiring smartarse.

But feel free to report the post and see how far you get with the other mods.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Sorry, who has done that? Could you give some examples?

There is an entire thread full of it on here. Every job loss, the stats from food and drunk bosses. I am sure you know the one...

 

[Pickman's model]

Good job I added both words and context to those links, you woefully backfiring smartarse.

yes, you added some words. which explain neither the nature nor the relevancy of the links. and you say nothing here of which facts in those links are the ones you wish to share. indeed, a lot of your links aren't facts (which are things by definition true) but opinion, eg that the erg have abandoned the fishermen.

 

[editor]

yes, you added some words. which explain neither the nature nor the relevancy of the links. and you say nothing here of which facts in those links are the ones you wish to share. indeed, a lot of your links aren't facts (which are things by definition true) but opinion, eg that the erg have abandoned the fishermen.

By Christ, I hope I never get as bored as you must be. There is nothing wrong with my post. It is completely on topic and an entirely reasonable counterpoint to the post I was responding to. And to stop this thread being dragged off topic with your dull pedantry and being needlessly disrupted further, I'm going to ignore you for a few hours. So there really is no need for you to have the last word, although you are free to report the post to the mods.

 

[Pickman's model]

By Christ, I hope I never get as bored as you must be. There is nothing wrong with my post. It is completely on topic and an entirely reasonable counterpoint to the post I was responding to. And to stop this thread being dragged off topic with your dull pedantry and being needlessly disrupted further, I'm going to ignore you for a few hours. So there really is no need for you to have the last word, although you are free to report the post to the mods.

what post were you responding to?

i hope i never descend to the depths where posting up a shedload of articles takes the place of being able to cobble together an actual argument.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Government legal bills leap by 27% due to Brexit

Government legal bills have surged to a four-year high, with Brexit driving a billing bonanza for City law firms advising Whitehall, research has revealed.Over

www.thetimes.co.uk

bonanza for City law firms

This was the City that the anarchists and anti-capitalists here were fretting Brexit would kill off. I'm sure their share portfolios will be be relieved to see they were wrong on that score.

 

[editor]

Government legal bills leap by 27% due to Brexit

Government legal bills have surged to a four-year high, with Brexit driving a billing bonanza for City law firms advising Whitehall, research has revealed.Over

www.thetimes.co.uk

This was the City that the anarchists and anti-capitalists here were fretting Brexit would kill off. I'm sure their share portfolios will be be relieved to see they were wrong on that score.

Who do you think pays for those increased legal bills in the end? Or is some whataboutery about anti capitalist protests in 1999 the main thing here for you?

Whitehall’s legal costs leapt by 27 per cent to more than £237 million over the past year. Last year was the highest expenditure as the UK left the bloc, with the second highest in 2016-17, the year of the referendum vote on membership.

Researchers attributed the rising expenditure of taxpayer funds to lawyers as the result of “administrative changes resulting from the UK leaving the EU”.

And that 'bonanza for city law firms' that you're giving the thumbs up to is entirely due to Brexit. Great to see that you're so happy for them.

 

[philosophical]

Here is a link to an interview with John Bruton former Taoiseach of the Republic of Ireland and EU Ambassador to Washington.
I would imagine in terms of trade round and about he is influential, although maybe not totally across car battery plants in the UK post 'brexit'.
However judging by the tone of the article Loose meat might be heartened to contemplate all the border and security jobs that might be created due to the monumentally damaging Tory continuing policy in Ireland.
It also gives his take on the mindset of those driving 'brexit' in relation to the UK, because Northern Ireland is supposed to be the UK at the moment. Isn't it?
I know I reference the Irish border from time to time, it remains an issue that to me is both symbolic, and practical in terms of what 'leave' means. I will be criticised for mentioning it again as is the nature of this site, but maybe Loose meat has an as yet unrevealed workable solution.
It is still a mess, and no amount of car battery plants in little England will resolve the mess.

John Bruton: UK ministers need to read the NI protocol they signed

No hint of contrition or constructiveness in article by Lord Frost and Brandon Lewis . . . just menace

www.irishtimes.com

Edit, interview dated July 7th 2021