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That's more of a swing to Remain than I expected, given how entrenched both sides have become, but I guess people who have turned 18 over the last five years might account for some of it - weird to think that by the time the next general election rolls around, there will be people voting who were 9 or 10 years old during the referendum.
 
bimble said:
This is quite interesting, big difference when you ask - how would you vote if it was 2016 again compared to when you ask would you vote to rejoin.
yougov.co.uk

Britons would vote to Remain but are less sure about re-joining | YouGov

In our latest study on the issue of Europe, YouGov looks at how people’s perceptions differ, depending on the question they are faced
yougov.co.uk yougov.co.uk
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The rejoiners must feel politically disenfranchised No main party supports rejoin ( suppose the Lib dems have a sort of rejoin possibly at a later date position) .So aside from stunts like getting Irish citzenship or if Scotland goes indy moving to Scotland type schemes or hypethetical reruns of the referendum where does that political intention find a home or organisation?
 
The39thStep said:
The rejoiners must feel politically disenfranchised No main party supports rejoin ( suppose the Lib dems have a sort of rejoin possibly at a later date position) .So aside from stunts like getting Irish citzenship or if Scotland goes indy moving to Scotland type schemes or hypethetical reruns of the referendum where does that political intention find a home or organisation?
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I fully expect the Lib Dems to push on this more forcefully if they ever get themselves together.
Which will hurt the Labour vote more than the Tory I expect, and further eintrench Tory domination
More tactical support for UKIPery from the LibDems then
 
The39thStep said:
The rejoiners must feel politically disenfranchised No main party supports rejoin ( suppose the Lib dems have a sort of rejoin possibly at a later date position) .So aside from stunts like getting Irish citzenship or if Scotland goes indy moving to Scotland type schemes or hypethetical reruns of the referendum where does that political intention find a home or organisation?
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Like with everything else brexit, 5 years from now it’ll probably all look a bit clearer. Maybe rejoin will have mostly just stopped being a question by then. Hard to imagine ‘let’s just rejoin the customs union’ being a massive movement with banners I don’t know.
 
bimble said:
Like with everything else brexit, 5 years from now it’ll probably all look a bit clearer. Maybe rejoin will have mostly just stopped being a question by then. Hard to imagine ‘let’s just rejoin the customs union’ being a massive movement with banners I don’t know.
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all the recalcitrant remainers will be in camps on the isle of man
 
bimble said:
Like with everything else brexit, 5 years from now it’ll probably all look a bit clearer. Maybe rejoin will have mostly just stopped being a question by then. Hard to imagine ‘let’s just rejoin the customs union’ being a massive movement with banners I don’t know.
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To get to a position in five years where rejoin is more than just a question surely means the work has to start now?
 
ska invita said:
I fully expect the Lib Dems to push on this more forcefully if they ever get themselves together.
Which will hurt the Labour vote more than the Tory I expect, and further eintrench Tory domination
More tactical support for UKIPery from the LibDems then
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What about remainers in the Labour Party ? I haven't a clue how many are rejoiners but something like 80% of members were for remain or second referendum . Where do they go or how would they advance rejoin?
 
The39thStep said:
What about remainers in the Labour Party ? I haven't a clue how many are rejoiners but something like 80% of members were for remain or second referendum . Where do they go or how would they advance rejoin?
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I’ve got no evidence to support this but I reckon a lot of those people will just have accepted that the uK has left now and won’t be that energised by anyone attempting to re run the whole shitshow.
 
The39thStep said:
What about remainers in the Labour Party ? I haven't a clue how many are rejoiners but something like 80% of members were for remain or second referendum . Where do they go or how would they advance rejoin?
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Well yeah I reckon some will peel off to the Lib Dems
Starmer is crushing some hope and dreams
Unknowable question is what happens over the next few post-Brexit, post-teething problem, years.
Other big variables are Scottish independence and their rejoining
Who subsequent Lab Leaders are is also an issue, and Im sure if someone wanted to whip up rejoin fever they would get somewhere
Could there be a Rejoin-Ukip type party? I doubt it

Spymaster said:
Haven’t the LDs already said they’d rejoin?
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Probably but until they work out how to get any attention no one hears what they say. I don't even know who the leader is at the moment, so i expect public awareness is pretty rock bottom
 
ska invita said:
Well yeah I reckon some will peel off to the Lib Dems
Starmer is crushing some hope and dreams
Unknowable question is what happens over the next few post-Brexit, post-teething problem, years.
Other big variables are Scottish independence and their rejoining
Who subsequent Lab Leaders are is also an issue, and Im sure if someone wanted to whip up rejoin fever they would get somewhere
Could there be a Rejoin-Ukip type party? I doubt it


Probably but until they work out how to get any attention no one hears what they say. I don't even know who the leader is at the moment, so i expect public awareness is pretty rock bottom
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What about Renew they are pro rejoining and are standing in the Mayoral elections and possibly the Council elections.
 
Spymaster said:
Haven’t the LDs already said they’d rejoin?
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Still wrestling with their conscience over the matter but at the moment no

The Lib Dem leader said his party was “very pro-European” and wanted a close relationship with the EU following Brexit, it was “not a rejoin party”.
However, he said that the removal of free movement as a result of the UK leaving the EU is “illiberal” and the case for its reintroduction should be reopened
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The39thStep said:
What about Renew they are pro rejoining and are standing in the Mayoral elections and possibly the Council elections.
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I wasnt aware of them, but now you mention it i remember a thread on here and then dismissing them
Do you think they'll get far? I doubt it. UKIP played a long game, had good financial backing, and friends in high places
What do i know, we're just speculating for fun here
 
ska invita said:
I wasnt aware of them, but now you mention it i remember a thread on here and then dismissing them
Do you think they'll get far? I doubt it. UKIP played a long game, had good financial backing, and friends in high places
What do i know, we're just speculating for fun here
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I'm not sure if populism , which UKIP definitely was, needs to play the long game tbh . In fact its ability to do well short term or at least make inroads is what is so disruptive to established political parties and voter allegiance. Yes theres a contradiction in being anti establishment but having friends in high place and good financial backing, that seems to be the hallmark of far right populism.
 
Yossarian said:
That's more of a swing to Remain than I expected, given how entrenched both sides have become, but I guess people who have turned 18 over the last five years might account for some of it - weird to think that by the time the next general election rolls around, there will be people voting who were 9 or 10 years old during the referendum.
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The youth know what's right. It's the oldies that got us into this ludicrous mess.
Nearly three quarters (73%) of 18 to 24 year-olds voted to remain, falling to under two thirds (62%) among 25-34s. A majority of those aged over 45 voted to leave, rising to 60% of those aged 65 or over. Most people with children aged ten or under voted to remain; most of those with children aged 11 or older voted to leave.

Brexit votes by age 2016 | Statista
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