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[editor]

Can't see Brexit stopping the City from its main business of funnelling wealth to havens beyond the reach of tax jurisdictions.

My gut feeling is that it'll get even worse. There's no shortage of corporates, big businesses Brexiteers and the ruling class who ❤ tax havens and avoiding paying their full whack on tax.

 

[DotCommunist]

so it was best to purchase a ping pong ball

how does that work then, surely the ball rises with the water, so the plughole is uncovered

 

[TopCat]

I always remember that The Morning Star used to have adverts in it from Progress Tours , a company based I think in Yorkshire. On a whim I sent off for, and received a brochure which had coach tours to Albania. In the midst of what seemed to very hectic and culture enriching schedule of visits to carpet factories and other industries and collective farms was the advice that hotels didn't have plugs for sinks so it was best to purchase a ping pong ball and that under no circumstance would people with beards be given a visa.

Progress tours. My parents went with them via coach to Hungary in the mid eighties. Pork for every single meal and a threadbare coach.

 

[TopCat]

how does that work then, surely the ball rises with the water, so the plughole is uncovered

Structural failures of Communism.

 

[The39thStep]

how does that work then, surely the ball rises with the water, so the plughole is uncovered

Dunno mate, didn't go as the girlfriend wasn't keen

 

[brogdale]

Dunno mate, didn't go as the girlfriend wasn't keen

You sure knew how to treat a girl!

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Dunno mate, didn't go as the girlfriend wasn't keen

and miss out on visits to carpet factories and collective farms?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Perhaps you failed to notice that I wasn't making a statement but asked: "If you're asking to me to start applauding ...."

Oh sorry, you're trying the philosophical defence, it was a question and not a statement. In which case my answer is: No I am not asking you that, you can tell I wasn't asking you that by the way I didn't ask you that.

 

[The39thStep]

and miss out on visits to carpet factories and collective farms?

I partially made up for it years later by visiting an Aloe Vera factory in Tenerife, albeit not collectivised .

 

[Artaxerxes]

The UK's stringent regulatory framework, thats a good joke

 

[andysays]

im with you
though right now in the immediate aftermath of 1st Jan " sympathy for anyone, in more or less any industry, who finds their position more difficult as a result of Brexit," is the key issue

Having thought about your post, I'm really not sure why you think sympathy for those who found or still find their position more difficult because of the EU should be less of an issue than those who find it more difficult as a result of Brexit.

It almost sounds like you view them as less deserving in some way, or think the difficulties they are facing are somehow less real.

 

[brogdale]

The old mad king of the swivel-eyed loons reduced to cheerleading intra-European production location decisions of US corporations; sad fucker.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Do the Albanians like langoustine?

Not as much as bunkers.

 

[steeplejack]

I always remember that The Morning Star used to have adverts in it from Progress Tours , a company based I think in Yorkshire. On a whim I sent off for, and received a brochure which had coach tours to Albania. In the midst of what seemed to very hectic and culture enriching schedule of visits to carpet factories and other industries and collective farms was the advice that hotels didn't have plugs for sinks so it was best to purchase a ping pong ball and that under no circumstance would people with beards be given a visa.

From memory I think they Progress Tours have been a front for the Hoxhaist groupuscule, the RCPB (M-L).

I was shocked to discover that they not only still exist, at least notionally, but that the lucky citizens of South Shields had the opportunity to vote for a Hoxhaist as recently as 2010 (where a party official stood on a neutral "anti-war" ticket and came bottom of the poll with 90 or so votes).

 

[Supine]

 

[The39thStep]

“Everything is about your working capital,” says Melissa Morris, founder of the leather goods label Métier, which opened its first shop in Mayfair in 2017. The financial implications of the Brexit deal is her number one source of stress at the moment

If this doesn't change the mind set of the Red Wall I don't know what will

 

[editor]

Won't anyone think of the Falkland Islanders?

Brexit Bites the Falkland Islands’ Calamari

Local officials are considering breaking ranks with the UK Government and asking the EU for help, reports David Hencke

bylinetimes.com

 

[gosub]

Won't anyone think of the Falkland Islanders?

Brexit Bites the Falkland Islands’ Calamari

Local officials are considering breaking ranks with the UK Government and asking the EU for help, reports David Hencke

bylinetimes.com

Would like to know what the |EU spend on the place used to be, or did the overseas territory budget all get spunked on the Reunion highway?

 

[Badgers]

Poll finds most British people oppose Brexit and want to be in EU

A newly released survey found that 57% of British people wanted to rejoin the European Union, with support for Brexit collapsing.

www.businessinsider.com

#worldbeating

 

[Badgers]

Brexit Border Friction Led to 'Two Or Three Hundred Consignments' Of Cancer Drugs Being Destroyed

A senior Conservative MP has told PoliticsHome that he will be 'seeking urgent clarification from the government' over reports time-sensitive cance...

www.politicshome.com

A senior Conservative MP has told PoliticsHome that he will be "seeking urgent clarification from the government" over reports time-sensitive cancer drugs were destroyed due to post-Brexit border delays.

The Confederation of British Industry's (CBI) Ian Price told the Welsh Affairs Committee on Thursday morning that an unnamed drugs manufacuter based in Wales had been forced to move its production to Ireland in order to circumvent friction at the UK border with the EU.

 

[TopCat]

Poll finds most British people oppose Brexit and want to be in EU

A newly released survey found that 57% of British people wanted to rejoin the European Union, with support for Brexit collapsing.

www.businessinsider.com

#worldbeating

Maybe you are on a roll. How would you build on that?

 

[Badgers]

Maybe you are on a roll. How would you build on that?

 

[Badgers]

Opinions aside I am surprised there has not been an emergency declaration order for medical supplies.

Similar orders have been drafted for C19 vaccines and were used in the Olympics.

Cancer (or any essential) drugs being destroyed is unforgivable.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Poll finds most British people oppose Brexit and want to be in EU

A newly released survey found that 57% of British people wanted to rejoin the European Union, with support for Brexit collapsing.

www.businessinsider.com

#worldbeating

That is from June last year, is there not a note up to date one?

 

[Badgers]

That is from June last year, is there not a note up to date one?

I suspect there is

 

[kabbes]

Latest poll seems to be this one:

Home

whatukthinks.org

Do you think Brexit has gone well or badly since the EU transition period ended?


Results for: Do you think Brexit has gone well or badly since the EU transition period ended?

Fieldwork end date Pollster	5 February 2021 Poll by YouGov	15 January 2021 Poll by YouGov
Very well	5%	4%
Fairly well	20%	19%
Neither well nor badly	21%	24%
Fairly badly	19%	19%
Very badly	23%	20%
Don't Know	13%	13%

That’s not the same thing as asking if people would rejoin though. I think it’s gone at least fairly badly but I wouldn’t vote to rejoin at this stage.

 

[bimble]

This is quite interesting, big difference when you ask - how would you vote if it was 2016 again compared to when you ask would you vote to rejoin.

Britons would vote to Remain but are less sure about re-joining | YouGov

In our latest study on the issue of Europe, YouGov looks at how people’s perceptions differ, depending on the question they are faced

yougov.co.uk

 

[kabbes]

Ah, here you go. A super-wide table

Fieldwork end date Pollster	25 January 2021 Poll by YouGov	23 January 2021 Poll by Deltapoll	30 December 2020 Poll by Deltapoll	18 December 2020 Poll by ComRes	28 November 2020 Poll by Deltapoll	24 October 2020 Poll by Deltapoll	25 September 2020 Poll by Deltapoll	3 July 2020 Poll by Deltapoll	15 June 2020 Poll by Kantar	28 May 2020 Poll by Deltapoll	11 May 2020 Poll by Kantar	20 April 2020 Poll by Kantar	9 March 2020 Poll by Kantar	11 December 2019 Poll by Panelbase	7 December 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	6 December 2019 Poll by Panelbase	30 November 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	28 November 2019 Poll by Panelbase	23 November 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	22 November 2019 Poll by Panelbase	16 November 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	14 November 2019 Poll by Panelbase	9 November 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	8 November 2019 Poll by Panelbase	2 November 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	31 October 2019 Poll by Panelbase	21 October 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	18 October 2019 Poll by Panelbase	15 October 2019 Poll by Kantar	11 October 2019 Poll by Panelbase	9 September 2019 Poll by Kantar	7 September 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	6 September 2019 Poll by Panelbase	4 September 2019 Poll by YouGov	31 August 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	19 August 2019 Poll by Kantar	27 July 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	21 May 2019 Poll by Panelbase	13 May 2019 Poll by Kantar	24 April 2019 Poll by Panelbase	16 April 2019 Poll by ComRes	8 April 2019 Poll by Kantar	30 March 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	19 March 2019 Poll by YouGov	17 March 2019 Poll by ComRes	11 March 2019 Poll by Kantar	5 March 2019 Poll by ComRes	23 February 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	11 February 2019 Poll by Deltapoll	11 February 2019 Poll by Kantar	17 January 2019 Poll by ORB	17 January 2019 Poll by ComRes	16 January 2019 Poll by YouGov	15 January 2019 Poll by ComRes	14 January 2019 Poll by Kantar	4 January 2019 Poll by YouGov	15 December 2018 Poll by YouGov	14 December 2018 Poll by Deltapoll	6 December 2018 Poll by Kantar	4 December 2018 Poll by Opinium	29 November 2018 Poll by YouGov	15 November 2018 Poll by ComRes	15 November 2018 Poll by YouGov	12 November 2018 Poll by Kantar	9 November 2018 Poll by YouGov	7 November 2018 Poll by Panelbase	6 November 2018 Poll by Populus	26 October 2018 Poll by Deltapoll	15 October 2018 Poll by Kantar	10 September 2018 Poll by Kantar	9 September 2018 Poll by ICM	4 September 2018 Poll by YouGov	20 August 2018 Poll by YouGov	13 August 2018 Poll by Kantar	7 August 2018 Poll by YouGov	31 July 2018 Poll by YouGov	14 July 2018 Poll by Deltapoll	9 July 2018 Poll by Kantar	6 July 2018 Poll by YouGov	27 June 2018 Poll by YouGov	16 May 2018 Poll by Deltapoll	8 April 2018 Poll by ICM	6 April 2018 Poll by YouGov	8 March 2018 Poll by ORB	2 March 2018 Poll by ComRes	16 February 2018 Poll by Sky Data	19 January 2018 Poll by ICM	19 January 2018 Poll by Sky Data	11 January 2018 Poll by ComRes	10 December 2017 Poll by ICM	20 October 2017 Poll by Opinium	22 September 2017 Poll by Opinium	15 September 2017 Poll by Opinium	18 August 2017 Poll by Opinium	21 June 2017 Poll by Panelbase	7 June 2017 Poll by Panelbase	1 June 2017 Poll by Panelbase	30 May 2017 Poll by Kantar	23 May 2017 Poll by Panelbase	15 May 2017 Poll by Panelbase	9 May 2017 Poll by Panelbase	2 May 2017 Poll by Panelbase	24 April 2017 Poll by Panelbase	12 October 2016 Poll by Survation	30 June 2016 Poll by Opinium	30 June 2016 Poll by BMG Research
Remain	49%	43%	46%	45%	47%	45%	43%	43%	42%	44%	40%	37%	37%	50%	45%	51%	44%	50%	46%	49%	43%	50%	45%	51%	43%	51%	49%	49%	38%	51%	37%	46%	52%	46%	46%	36%	45%	52%	42%	51%	52%	41%	46%	46%	45%	40%	46%	45%	43%	43%	48%	47%	48%	44%	44%	46%	46%	44%	36%	45%	47%	45%	46%	39%	45%	51%	47%	40%	38%	42%	46%	46%	46%	40%	46%	46%	45%	40%	47%	44%	47%	45%	44%	44%	43%	46%	45%	49%	51%	46%	46%	45%	45%	39%	46%	46%	47%	35%	48%	47%	47%	48%	46%	44%	48%	45%
Leave	37%	43%	41%	40%	40%	42%	43%	43%	33%	44%	32%	36%	34%	46%	39%	46%	44%	46%	43%	48%	42%	46%	42%	46%	41%	46%	40%	47%	37%	45%	34%	40%	45%	43%	41%	35%	41%	45%	33%	45%	38%	35%	39%	41%	39%	32%	39%	41%	43%	35%	42%	39%	38%	40%	35%	39%	37%	43%	33%	45%	39%	43%	40%	34%	41%	46%	40%	40%	35%	35%	42%	42%	41%	35%	40%	41%	45%	32%	41%	44%	42%	44%	41%	49%	46%	42%	43%	41%	43%	43%	45%	44%	45%	34%	50%	51%	49%	38%	49%	50%	49%	49%	50%	44%	42%	37%
Don't know/undecided	13%	14%	13%	16%	13%

 

[kabbes]

This is quite interesting, big difference when you ask - how would you vote if it was 2016 again compared to when you ask would you vote to rejoin.

Britons would vote to Remain but are less sure about re-joining | YouGov

In our latest study on the issue of Europe, YouGov looks at how people’s perceptions differ, depending on the question they are faced

yougov.co.uk

That’s interesting. It suggests to me that the original remain vote had a large “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” element, who were less driven by ideology and more by wanting to avoid chaos. It’s already broken now, though, so it’s arguably easier at this point to work with what we have.

 

[bimble]

I wonder if there’s a (very rough non sciency) element to the leave & remain votes, the 2016 one I mean, where remain voters are more pessimistic people, leave voters more optimists.