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There's a danger here of unintentionally creating a simplistic binary of good and bad industries, and suggesting that what's good for a particular industry is necessarily good or bad for people in general, depending which side of the line we think the industry is positioned.
any sympathy for the fashion industry? they've written an open letter to no 10 claiming they are hobbled

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also claiming to "contribute more to UK GDP than fishing, music, film, pharmaceuticals and automobile industries combined. "
 
Nigel says all brexiteers should sign a petition to trigger article 16.
Is this his own basement he’s sitting in?
 
I'd love the financial sector to be torn apart and the profits of its parasitic bosses reduced to pennies and a new, fairer system put in its place. But it's great to see you batting on their team.
just out of curiosity, should the fs be torn apart and a new fairer system not end up in place, how do you think that might affect pensions? what happens in the city - what happens to the city - will affect an awful lot of working people's futures.
 
There does appear to be a double standard at work here.

You can't really expect to get sympathy for the effects of Brexit on your own industry while simultaneously dismissing the effects on someone else's (see also eg fishing).
Perhaps the music industry should be torn apart because of the obscene money Stock, Aitken and Waterman have made from it.
 
just out of curiosity, should the fs be torn apart and a new fairer system not end up in place, how do you think that might affect pensions?
Oh OK. I must be wrong. It must be absolutely impossible to change anything (even though there seemed to be untold billions on hand to save the banking industry a while ago), so there's no pont even wishing for such a thing or a fairer society. I'll get back in line with the rest of you.

Hooray for the rich bankers! Let's clap for the financial sector! Save the CEO jobs! We need them!
 






Anything else that you care to be proven wrong on?

Still at least I've wound you up enough to spend the last half hour frantically googling, your clenched fists bashing your keyboard in rage.

In Scotland, five noisy families and their lobby group were in favour of Brexit. They own most of Scottish fishing. Banff & Buchan turned Tory on the basis of the issue. You know, your political heroes, the UK Tory Party.

Since the Brexit vote Fishing Brexiteers have disappeared like mice in the cobra cage of the zoo. This has left those involved in fish production and distribution, and logistics, to occupy the space with the obvious message that Brexit was a bad thing and that many in the above named industries had opposed it throughout. Strangely the media were not terribly interested in the views of these people from June 2016-December 2020.

Here's the chairman of the Scottush creel fishing association, for example, speaking very well on the subject:


SeafoodScotland and MarineScotland on twitter are much more representative twitter accounts of all shades of opinion in the industry. Yes, there was a noisy pro-Brexit lobby in fishing. They did not and never did speak for the industry as a whole. Places like the Broch and Peterhead face ruin because of the impact of Brexit on fishing. Saying the industry voted for the policy en masse so ner ner I don't care is insulting, lazy and wrong.
 
Oh OK. I must be wrong. It must be absolutely impossible to change anything (even though there seemed to be untold billions on hand to save the banking industry a while ago), so there's no pont even wishing for such a thing or a fairer society. I'll get back in line with the rest of you.

Hooray for the rich bankers! Let's clap for the financial sector! Save the CEO jobs! We need them!
to inspire your reply you must have been reading a very different post to the one you quote
 
any sympathy for the fashion industry? they've written an open letter to no 10 claiming they are hobbled

letter

thing:
also claiming to "contribute more to UK GDP than fishing, music, film, pharmaceuticals and automobile industries combined. "
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I don't have sympathy for "the fashion industry", or "the fishing industry" or "the music industry", as industries.

I do have sympathy for anyone, in more or less any industry, who finds their position more difficult as a result of Brexit, but also for those who found or find their position more difficult because of the EU.

And I disagree with workers in any industry who equate their interests with that of the industry in which they work.
 
any sympathy for the fashion industry? they've written an open letter to no 10 claiming they are hobbled

letter

thing:
also claiming to "contribute more to UK GDP than fishing, music, film, pharmaceuticals and automobile industries combined. "
That’s some claim.
 
I don't have sympathy for "the fashion industry", or "the fishing industry" or "the music industry", as industries. I do have sympathy for anyone, in more or less any industry, who finds their position more difficult as a result of Brexit, but also for those who found or find their position more difficult because of the EU. And I disagree with workers in any industry who equate their interests with that of the industry in which they work.
im with you
though right now in the immediate aftermath of 1st Jan " sympathy for anyone, in more or less any industry, who finds their position more difficult as a result of Brexit," is the key issue
 
Overall, do you think the general population benefits from the existence of high paid bankers and the system that they employ to make profits?

I notice you have failed to answer this: Please point to the post where I asked you to applaud anything?



As to the financial services industry, I feel that the country works well with a mixture of industries, some that are unseemly but puts in a lot of money to society and others such as yours that don't.
 
you don't need to be a remainer to wonder what's going to happen should johnson fuck the city of london. i for one never thought it would be a tory government which might stop the city more effectively than j18
Can't see Brexit stopping the City from its main business of funnelling wealth to havens beyond the reach of tax jurisdictions.
 
Albania, Albania...



...not nearly as repressive as Romania!


I always remember that The Morning Star used to have adverts in it from Progress Tours , a company based I think in Yorkshire. On a whim I sent off for, and received a brochure which had coach tours to Albania. In the midst of what seemed to very hectic and culture enriching schedule of visits to carpet factories and other industries and collective farms was the advice that hotels didn't have plugs for sinks so it was best to purchase a ping pong ball and that under no circumstance would people with beards be given a visa.
 
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