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[gosub]

It's not about preventing foot and mouth. It's ham.

From the BBC article to which I was responding


On its website, the European Commission says the ban is necessary because such goods "continue to present a real threat to animal health throughout the Union".
"It is known, for example, that dangerous pathogens that cause animal diseases such as Foot and Mouth Disease and classical swine fever can reside in meat, milk or their products," the Commission says.

 

[Raheem]

From the BBC article to which I was responding


On its website, the European Commission says the ban is necessary because such goods "continue to present a real threat to animal health throughout the Union".
"It is known, for example, that dangerous pathogens that cause animal diseases such as Foot and Mouth Disease and classical swine fever can reside in meat, milk or their products," the Commission says.

Ok, so it's not specifically about foot and mouth. It's about "dangerous pathogens". We've had the same rules with Ireland for decades.

 

[gosub]

Ok, so it's not specifically about foot and mouth. It's about "dangerous pathogens". We've had the same rules with Ireland for decades.

What, like Swine fever? (which they've had very recently in Germany)

I really don't think they are going to be searching vehicles at the Irish border for pork pies.

 

[andysays]

awww bless

I reckon teuchter is still hoping to be awarded the contract to supply toilet door locks for the new mega vaccination centres.

Maybe even the contract to provide cups of tea to the waiting vaccinees...

 

[TopCat]

Tbh I'm not sure how the procurement process works in normal times, but there's certainly an issue with a lot of the procurement under the emergency covid regulations. Obviously a competitive process takes time and I can see an argument for side-stepping it in the circumstances of last spring, but the fact that they've kept on handing out contracts to manifestly unsuitable firms with close connections to ministers does make the whole thing smell very fishy indeed...

I know how the procurement process works and have done and won many OJEC tenders.
It would have taken too long. They had to use allowable emergency procurement measures. This did not mean they had to allow pals to get the contracts. That was purposeful.

 

[The39thStep]

Meanwhile in the workers paradise

 

[Pickman's model]

Meanwhile in the workers paradise

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Perhaps it's in someone's garage or shed

 

[The39thStep]

Perhaps it's in someone's garage or shed

Or found another house

 

[Anju]

Another one for the win column.

'Loophole' will let UK continue to ship plastic waste to poorer countries

Post-Brexit regulation doesn’t match new EU rules to tackle ocean pollution, despite UK being Europe’s largest plastic waste producer

www.theguardian.com

 

[steeplejack]

Another one for the "we hold all the cards" file



North East fishing communities will be gutted and the whole industry destroyed in the next few years. Common responses:

1. There isn't the demand for fish domestically which is why the catch is exported; it's not as simple as saying "sell it to Morrison's instead then".
2. Catastrophic sloppiness in regulatory preparations mean that the prices of fish have collapsed by 80% in some cases, meaning that boats simply won;t go out, as they are unable to cover costs.
3. Smug London-dwelling FBPE types stating "Fishing voted Brexit so ner ner I don't care". Whilst there were very noisy "industry leaders" gleefully in favour of Brexit who since have disappeared mysteriously, many fishing people were opposed.

1/3 of the fleet is already tied up as it is uneconomic to put to sea. The processing side (Fraserburgh is the biggest white fish processor in Europe) will be destroyed.

Only the swivel eyed loons who are committed to Brexit just because, well they are, and for no other reason, will see any upside to this. And even they, having used the fishing industry as a touchstone for Brexit, have since scuttled up the drainpipe like rats, confronted with this.

 

[Winot]

Another one for the "we hold all the cards" file



North East fishing communities will be gutted and the whole industry destroyed in the next few years. Common responses:

1. There isn't the demand for fish domestically which is why the catch is exported; it's not as simple as saying "sell it to Morrison's instead then".
2. Catastrophic sloppiness in regulatory preparations mean that the prices of fish have collapsed by 80% in some cases, meaning that boats simply won;t go out, as they are unable to cover costs.
3. Smug London-dwelling FBPE types stating "Fishing voted Brexit so ner ner I don't care". Whilst there were very noisy "industry leaders" gleefully in favour of Brexit who since have disappeared mysteriously, many fishing people were opposed.

1/3 of the fleet is already tied up as it is uneconomic to put to sea. The processing side (Fraserburgh is the biggest white fish processor in Europe) will be destroyed.

Only the swivel eyed loons who are committed to Brexit just because, well they are, and for no other reason, will see any upside to this. And even they, having used the fishing industry as a touchstone for Brexit, have since scuttled up the drainpipe like rats, confronted with this.

They should dump some rotting fish on the steps of 10 Downing St.

 

[ska invita]

Another one for the "we hold all the cards" file



North East fishing communities will be gutted and the whole industry destroyed in the next few years. Common responses:

1. There isn't the demand for fish domestically which is why the catch is exported; it's not as simple as saying "sell it to Morrison's instead then".
2. Catastrophic sloppiness in regulatory preparations mean that the prices of fish have collapsed by 80% in some cases, meaning that boats simply won;t go out, as they are unable to cover costs.
3. Smug London-dwelling FBPE types stating "Fishing voted Brexit so ner ner I don't care". Whilst there were very noisy "industry leaders" gleefully in favour of Brexit who since have disappeared mysteriously, many fishing people were opposed.

1/3 of the fleet is already tied up as it is uneconomic to put to sea. The processing side (Fraserburgh is the biggest white fish processor in Europe) will be destroyed.

Only the swivel eyed loons who are committed to Brexit just because, well they are, and for no other reason, will see any upside to this. And even they, having used the fishing industry as a touchstone for Brexit, have since scuttled up the drainpipe like rats, confronted with this.

was wondering why landing in Denmark....answer is " If boats fish in UK waters, but land in Denmark, processors here are cut out of trade. If this becomes a new pattern, its a huge concern for processors here. Fish landed in Denmark (trucked to France/Spain) is traded within single market, so avoids a lot of Brexit bureaucracy "

Speculation here but another thing about landing in Denmark is its going to be impossible/undesirable for small indie boats to do that, but something bigger boats/trawlers can do.

 

[NoXion]

The crowing by FBPE types over this ham sandwich nonsense is just pathetic. "Welcome to Brexit", my fucking arse. Nothing has really changed except a bunch of bureaucratic bullshit. It's petty and performative.

 

[moochedit]

The crowing by FBPE types over this ham sandwich nonsense is just pathetic. "Welcome to Brexit", my fucking arse. Nothing has really changed except a bunch of bureaucratic bullshit. It's petty and performative.

Click bait headlines innit. (For both leavers and remainers)

If you ever watch the "Aussie customs" show they are really shit hot about any kind of food in your bag over there. Think the Americans are the same.

Never sure why people take food with them when going abroad. I never do.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Was listening to R4 yesterday and the whole Spain holiday home idea seems to be hugely affected. Because there is a limit on staying there ( 90 days in any 180-day period) if you're not a resident it's going to really put people off buying 2nd homes there. Perhaps this is a good thing since much of Spain's coast has been spoilt with over development but I can see this affecting France and Italy too where they have benefited from Brits restoring old properties.

 

[NoXion]

Click bait headlines innit. (For both leavers and remainers)

If you ever watch the "Aussie customs" show they are really shit hot about any kind of food in your bag over there. Think the Americans are the same.

Never sure why people take food with them when going abroad. I never do.

My understanding is that Australian customs are like that because they want to protect their unique and vulnerable ecology.

Not sure what kind of threat someone's lunch is, coming from an ecosystem that has long been intertwined. Do nefarious ham smugglers operating the Brussels pipeline have a reputation for disguising themselves as truck drivers?

 

[mauvais]

We apply the same to e.g. US air passengers, we are just less serious about it in general than Australia.

This latest development is what happens when a thick-as-confiscated-shit government doesn't bother to do any fucking preparation and thinks they can wing a deal at the last minute. Turns out stuff gets missed. No agreement, no entry, what do you expect? Benevolence?

 

[NoXion]

Air passengers get told to dump their food and drink because airports and airlines want to force people to pay over the odds for their own shitty provisions. I thought this was common knowledge? They say it's for security, but that's bullshit.

 

[The39thStep]

Was listening to R4 yesterday and the whole Spain holiday home idea seems to be hugely affected. Because there is a limit on staying there ( 90 days in any 180-day period) if you're not a resident it's going to really put people off buying 2nd homes there. Perhaps this is a good thing since much of Spain's coast has been spoilt with over development but I can see this affecting France and Italy too where they have benefited from Brits restoring old properties.

First of all there is room for EU states to set their own rules for example in Portugal they are considering 180 day visa free stay . Where they don’t people who want to stay longer than 90days will simply apply for residency .

 

[Gramsci]

Was listening to R4 yesterday and the whole Spain holiday home idea seems to be hugely affected. Because there is a limit on staying there ( 90 days in any 180-day period) if you're not a resident it's going to really put people off buying 2nd homes there. Perhaps this is a good thing since much of Spain's coast has been spoilt with over development but I can see this affecting France and Italy too where they have benefited from Brits restoring old properties.

I heard that report on radio.

One British women, an English teacher, had been working in Spain for years. Married to a Spanish man. Her children born there.She reckoned the children had dual citizenship. Problem for them is that if they decide to move to UK in future her Spanish husband will be caught in the minimum income requirements that this country post Brexit require. He is builder so does not earn enough.

People with these kind of relationships across EU might be a minority but for them Brexit is not a progressive step forward.

Ending Freedom of movement has real effects on ordinary people . Even if they are a minority.

 

[TopCat]

Was listening to R4 yesterday and the whole Spain holiday home idea seems to be hugely affected. Because there is a limit on staying there ( 90 days in any 180-day period) if you're not a resident it's going to really put people off buying 2nd homes there. Perhaps this is a good thing since much of Spain's coast has been spoilt with over development but I can see this affecting France and Italy too where they have benefited from Brits restoring old properties.

Second home ownership isn't something to be encouraged to be fair.

 

[Flavour]

Oh no what will the poor European property market do without the can-do spirit of enterprising British buyers who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty and fix up one of those old palaces which the locals can't be bothered to maintain properly. Nobody wants to live there in winter anyway, it's a shit hole. Rather be in Surrey.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Was listening to R4 yesterday and the whole Spain holiday home idea seems to be hugely affected. Because there is a limit on staying there ( 90 days in any 180-day period) if you're not a resident it's going to really put people off buying 2nd homes there. Perhaps this is a good thing since much of Spain's coast has been spoilt with over development but I can see this affecting France and Italy too where they have benefited from Brits restoring old properties.

Like how Londoners have benefitted from Russians and Qataris 'restoring' all the unfashionable postcodes they used to live in.

 

[The39thStep]

Great shame the UK is missing out on this initiative

Insects have come closer to becoming a staple in European diets after the EU's food safety agency deemed the yellow mealworm safe for human consumption. The European Food Safety Authority said on Wednesday that based on an application from French insect farmer Micronutris — the first European company focused on insects for human consumption — there were no safety concerns for dried yellow mealworm. The creature is the larval form of the mealworm beetle.

 

[steeplejack]

Yeah, that’ll really work.

“As a party we are committed to re-imposing AC Grayling’s view of the world and restoring him to his rightful place in society. Yes, we are led by a war criminal and mass murderer, but haven’t we put all that behind us now...”

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah, that’ll really work.

I have emailed Tony Blair pointing out that he can still achieve his aim if he joins whatever party Nigel farage has now and actively campaigns for whatever rubbish NF is on about now

 

[TopCat]

Yeah, that’ll really work.

“As a party we are committed to re-imposing AC Grayling’s view of the world and restoring him to his rightful place in society. Yes, we are led by a war criminal and mass murderer, but haven’t we put all that behind us now...”

Oh my

 

[gentlegreen]

Kiss. Of. Death.

 

[moochedit]

I heard that report on radio.

One British women, an English teacher, had been working in Spain for years. Married to a Spanish man. Her children born there.She reckoned the children had dual citizenship. Problem for them is that if they decide to move to UK in future her Spanish husband will be caught in the minimum income requirements that this country post Brexit require. He is builder so does not earn enough.

People with these kind of relationships across EU might be a minority but for them Brexit is not a progressive step forward.

Ending Freedom of movement has real effects on ordinary people . Even if they are a minority.

The income limit for foreign partners is about 18k isn't it? Would have thought a builder earns more than that?

 

[brogdale]

Yeah, that’ll really work.

“As a party we are committed to re-imposing AC Grayling’s view of the world and restoring him to his rightful place in society. Yes, we are led by a war criminal and mass murderer, but haven’t we put all that behind us now...”

Have the Lib Dems given up being that, then?