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[MickiQ]

The income limit for foreign partners is about 18k isn't it? Would have thought a builder earns more than that?

What he earns or potentially earns isn't relevant. She would have to find a job earning more than £18K in order to apply for permission to bring him here.

 

[Pickman's model]

The income limit for foreign partners is about 18k isn't it? Would have thought a builder earns more than that?

Maybe one year maybe not another

 

[ska invita]

Yeah, that’ll really work.

“As a party we are committed to re-imposing AC Grayling’s view of the world and restoring him to his rightful place in society. Yes, we are led by a war criminal and mass murderer, but haven’t we put all that behind us now...”

a useful project i would say, in a Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B fashion

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

What he earns or potentially earns isn't relevant. She would have to find a job earning more than £18K in order to apply for permission to bring him here.

Whilst there are clearly many disagreeable sides to Brexit, asking people spending >3 months at a time in a country, or in this country to take part in some kind of registration scheme doesn't seem unreasonable, nor does asking people moving permanently to be able to provide the bare bones of financial support to themselves.

 

[gentlegreen]

So the UK has at least adjusted to the EU norms ...

I'm back to being fairly certain that I will still be applying for residency in France as a retiree and for non-EU citizens they demand minimum wage (SMIC) plus full health insurance plus a promise not to do paid work.
SMIC is 18473 euros gross, full health insurance is about £4k a year (eek) - not sure if that includes the 1K top-up insurance most French people go for...
EDIT:- I assume it's not SMIC PLUS health insurance. Basically after 3 months you have to demonstrate that income covered your outgoings...

French Income tax is 14 percent with a personal allowance of 9964 PA, social charges are 9.1 percent on 97 percent of pension income.

I sincerely hope I will eventually have the option to pay the French state for my healthcare instead of a private insurance company.

For EU citizens it's only £550 a month so you could actually do it on a UK state pension ...

 

[moochedit]

What he earns or potentially earns isn't relevant. She would have to find a job earning more than £18K in order to apply for permission to bring him here.

Just googled and 18k is combined income of both partners but there are extra amounts added to that for dependent children.

But as Pickman's model says, builders are normally self employed so their income is not guarenteed which i guess would cause problems as they probably require a "job offer" letter.

Maybe one year maybe not another

 

[The39thStep]

So the UK has at least adjusted to the EU norms ...

I'm back to being fairly certain that I will still be applying for residency in France as a retiree and for non-EU citizens they demand minimum wage (SMIC) plus full health insurance plus a promise not to do paid work.
SMIC is 18473 euros gross, full health insurance is about £4k a year (eek) - not sure if that includes the 1K top-up insurance most French people go for...
EDIT:- I assume it's not SMIC PLUS health insurance. Basically after 3 months you have to demonstrate that income covered your outgoings...

French Income tax is 14 percent with a personal allowance of 9964 PA, social charges are 9.1 percent on 97 percent of pension income.

I sincerely hope I will eventually have the option to pay the French state for my healthcare instead of a private insurance company.

For EU citizens it's only £550 a month so you could actually do it on a UK state pension ...

How easy is it to get residency , not citizenship, in France ? Presumably that would give you access to French health care ?

 

[gentlegreen]

How easy is it to get residency , not citizenship, in France ? Presumably that would give you access to French health care ?

By all accounts you have to take the gamble, put your stuff in store and sell your home in the UK, rent somewhere for 3 months and prove you aren't a burden ... naturalisation is 5 years and far from guaranteed.

I'm getting confused about the social charges now ... Maybe that DOES give health cover - in which case it's half the cost of private insurance on my modest pension ...

Hopefully it will become clearer nearer the time - it's at least 2 years away ...

In my case, should residency fail, I would be heading towards Swansea ...

 

[Badgers]

At the fish thing is sorted

 

[Pickman's model]

Air passengers get told to dump their food and drink because airports and airlines want to force people to pay over the odds for their own shitty provisions. I thought this was common knowledge? They say it's for security, but that's bullshit.

The world we have lost - back in the 90s I got to Hamburg airport 15 mins before a flight to London was going, got a ticket, got through security and onto the flight. Never happen now. And as you say any food or drink I'd brought with me would have been binned.

 

[Badgers]

Fishing minister Victoria Prentis, appearing before a House of Lords committee, admitted “things are tricky at the moment” but said her team is “working hard” to resolve issues as they arose.

During her appearance Ms Prentis raised eyebrows by telling peers she did not read the fisheries deal when it was published on Christmas Eve because she was “very busy organising the local Nativity trail”.

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[extra dry]

What, like Swine fever? (which they've had very recently in Germany)

I really don't think they are going to be searching vehicles at the Irish border for pork pies.

The gov will have a dog trained to do that work, porkpie sniffer

 

[Roadkill]

At the fish thing is sorted

Also:

 

[mauvais]

Lochfyne were big supporters of Leave and are now blaming it on a lack of preparation by a "Remain establishment" who tried to "thwart Brexit", so...

 

[moochedit]

The gov will have a dog trained to do that work, porkpie sniffer

Not sure dogs need any training to snif out meat products.

 

[Smangus]

We should have got these monkeys to negotiate Brexit for us , they would have done a far better job of the deal by the sound of it than the idiots in charge...

Nice phone: Bali’s thieving monkeys can spot high-value items to ransom

 

[Roadkill]

Lochfyne were big supporters of Leave and are now blaming it on a lack of preparation by a "Remain establishment" who tried to "thwart Brexit", so...

That's pretty much the Fishing for Leave line atm:



Well, along with retweeting Express journalists and Nigel Farage.

I can't help wondering how much more prominent this would be in the headlines were it not for the pandemic and America's political nervous breakdown...

 

[MrSki]

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She seems to think it is amusing.

 

[ska invita]

Never sure why people take food with them when going abroad. I never do.

Airport and plane food is expensive and crap. I bring a packed lunch, never had it taken away before (apart from liquids).

 

[mauvais]

That's pretty much the Fishing for Leave line atm:



Well, along with retweeting Express journalists and Nigel Farage.

I can't help wondering how much more prominent this would be in the headlines were it not for the pandemic and America's political nervous breakdown...

They did it more explicitly than that:

 

[brogdale]

More of the non-expert led outcomes....

 

[brogdale]

Meanwhile in the province...dinosaurs (b)regret voting for that asteroid...

 

[andysays]

I ordered a new pair of walking boots recently, direct from a German company because the particular style I want appears no longer to be available from British retailers, though other styles from the same maker are.

They appear to be coming from a supplier in the Netherlands, and have been delayed because of complications resulting from Brexit.

This is mildly annoying, but hasn't caused me to regret my Leave vote.

(not yet anyway; if they still haven't arrived by the end of next week I might feel differently...)

 

[Artaxerxes]

They do know whose been in charge for the last 4 years right?

 

[brogdale]

She seems to think it is amusing.

A real Thicky Vicky

 

[Winot]

It was completely obvious that elements of the Leave establishment were going to blame Remain for anything that went wrong, just as they blamed the EU for anything that went wrong prior to Brexit.

 

[Wolveryeti]

To be honest the thought of all nations being more self sufficient in food is environmentally necessary in the long run. Food miles are a huge contributor to co2, not to mention the damage caused by pesticides and so on used to grow them. A massive upswing in organic farming (even using greenhouses to grow hotter weather crops, like the Dutch do so well) would be a good thing long term. Clearly right now the UK does not have very good food security /food sovereignty.

This article provides a dissenting view.

Everything you thought about the carbon footprint of imported food is wrong, says top professor

Bananas from Dominican Republic and apples from New Zealand are among the most carbon-friendly foods

www.independent.co.uk

Basically that as long as you are not air freighting, intensive local farming can have a worse impact than long-range transport.

Agree that NL's agriculture is very impressive and a model to be copied.

 

[The39thStep]

A bit of good news

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

She seems to think it is amusing.

I thought Alice from Dibley had died?

 

[rubbershoes]

It was completely obvious that elements of the Leave establishment were going to blame Remain for anything that went wrong, just as they blamed the EU for anything that went wrong prior to Brexit.

The establishment has always looked down on common people like old Etonions Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg