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Ashes defeat a ‘brilliant opportunity’ to reset domestic game, claims ECB chief
This guy really makes me laugh.
This guy really makes me laugh.
The Ashes 2021/22
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Ian Bell said he thinks Finn Allen is the biggest talent he's seen in a very long time. Bell does know his shit. Unfortunately I think Allen will be a T20 player only. Until things get evened up and players like him could be on a £700k central contract plus 15k match fee like Rory Burns (yes really), there's no way someone like him will go into test cricket I dont think. I wouldn't. Or maybe I would find an English relative like half of south africa and leg it over here.
Dom Sibley's also on 700k. Just sayin.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
NZ test specialists like Neil Wagner get NZ$85k basic plus NZ$8.5k match fee. It's not a kick in the teeth, but the disparity is enormous.
At the very least, player match fees should be the same for both teams in any given game.
At the very least, player match fees should be the same for both teams in any given game.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Luckily there are still enough players who really want to play tests. If you're good enough, not doing so because of money is something you're likely to regret. And if you're that good, you can make your millions in the IPL, Big Bash, Hundred, etc.
The ones I think are properly hard done by are the players who are genuine red ball specialists. They don't get any part of that pie, and if they're not English, Australian or Indian, they won't get much from their national contract.
The ones I think are properly hard done by are the players who are genuine red ball specialists. They don't get any part of that pie, and if they're not English, Australian or Indian, they won't get much from their national contract.
So Kane Williamson gets about 1/10th of Rory Burns then?
(I know he tops it up with the IPL of course but still)
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not a red ball specialist, so more. As all-format captain, he gets NZ$440k a year plus match fees. Unsurprisingly, he's the top-paid NZ player. I think Root, Stokes, Buttler, Bairstow, as all-format players, are on about a million plus match fees, so about five times as much as Williamson. Morgan gets a million a year for captaining the one-day squad.So Kane Williamson gets about 1/10th of Rory Burns then?
(I know he tops it up with the IPL of course but still)
Ok well that's not bad. Someone like the young Finn Allen though will earn £1m for 6 weeks work in the IPL once he fully earns his stripes so there's no hope really for us purists. He's grown up with T20 so that's that. I'm sure we have plenty of similar examples here.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
tbh the NZ contract system fucks over the test specialists somewhat. Martin Guptill will get a lot more than Neil Wagner. England's system is biased the other way so that test specialists get more than one-day specialists.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'm using NZ as the example, but it's the same story for West Indies, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Pakistan. Only the 'big three' pay big money.
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
Crawley’s performance has been several times better than Boris’s.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Do they hate Dan Lawrence or just love Ollie Pope? I mean, they're all shit but some are obviously being given less chances than others.
Since Jan 1st last year, including this game.
Burns 11 Tests Average 27.9
Lawrence 8 Tests Average 27.2
Pope 10 Tests Average 21.6
Pope has now played 4 matches (not including his wicket-keeping stint) since Lawrence last played. Pope's average over his last 5 innings is 10.
Pope also missed games through injury, else his matches played would be higher (and his average no doubt lower).
But I'll tell you what will probably happen. Word has it this pitch flattens out quickly and runs can be scored. At least some pressure is off as whitewash has been avoided. One of them will score runs and get another run in the team on the back of it. It used to be Buttler who did this (quite a few times). Rubbish, average, rubbish oh look I've scored a gritty 80 in the last Test.
Burns is actually the more capable of doing this. So what does that say about you Ollie? But don't be surprised if one of them does.
Since Jan 1st last year, including this game.
Burns 11 Tests Average 27.9
Lawrence 8 Tests Average 27.2
Pope 10 Tests Average 21.6
Pope has now played 4 matches (not including his wicket-keeping stint) since Lawrence last played. Pope's average over his last 5 innings is 10.
Pope also missed games through injury, else his matches played would be higher (and his average no doubt lower).
But I'll tell you what will probably happen. Word has it this pitch flattens out quickly and runs can be scored. At least some pressure is off as whitewash has been avoided. One of them will score runs and get another run in the team on the back of it. It used to be Buttler who did this (quite a few times). Rubbish, average, rubbish oh look I've scored a gritty 80 in the last Test.
Burns is actually the more capable of doing this. So what does that say about you Ollie? But don't be surprised if one of them does.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
No, he was dropped. But he certainly used to get that.
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
Pope went to top dollar public school, specifically this one: Fees - Cranleigh School
Whereas Dan Lawrence went to a state school: Trinity Catholic High School, Woodford Green - Wikipedia
Pope has been molly coddled and wrapped in No. 6 cotton wool.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Lawrence also looks really good until he gets out. He looks like he should be able to play test cricket.
The facetious answer would be that he's a state school kid from Essex. I really hope there's nothing to that.
The facetious answer would be that he's a state school kid from Essex. I really hope there's nothing to that.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't know if there is still a 'face fits' aspect to selection. Remember how Keaton Jennings was a 'good bloke'. Nick Compton, despite an impeccable cricketing pedigree, private school and a South African connection, was someone whose face didn't fit.
That's the kind of thing HR types go on about - that you have to be wary of your own, perhaps unconscious, biases when recruiting. Not a good way to select a sports team. And it's precisely the kind of poisonous shit that came out around the South Africa team. Where in SA it revolved around race, in England it's more likely to revolve around class.
That's the kind of thing HR types go on about - that you have to be wary of your own, perhaps unconscious, biases when recruiting. Not a good way to select a sports team. And it's precisely the kind of poisonous shit that came out around the South Africa team. Where in SA it revolved around race, in England it's more likely to revolve around class.
Burns. What can you say.
Out 6th ball caught behind but for some reason the aussies didn't appeal. And then runs like my Nan the next over to be out for yet another duck. Just give it up Rory. Can't bat, can't catch, can't run.
Hopefully we won't have to witness that painful head twitch and man-knot thing again after the second innings here.
Out 6th ball caught behind but for some reason the aussies didn't appeal. And then runs like my Nan the next over to be out for yet another duck. Just give it up Rory. Can't bat, can't catch, can't run.
Hopefully we won't have to witness that painful head twitch and man-knot thing again after the second innings here.
Burns wasn't backing up. And wasn't exactly Usain Bolt. And could have pulled out a dive.
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
It can only be good for English test cricket is we lose this test. The bigger the margins of defeat, the better.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Burns, christ what a fuckwit. How do you get run out for a duck.
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Well there's the old saying in cricket... 1 brings 10
Sometimes, you lose matches because a bit of luck turned against you, momentum turned at a particular time or the conditions just didn't favour you. Next match, you go back out there and start again.
And other times, you lose matches because you are MASSIVELY OUTCLASSED. Next match, you go back out there and are MASSIVELY OUTCLASSED all over again.
It doesn't take a keen cricket analyst to figure out which situation we're in here.
And other times, you lose matches because you are MASSIVELY OUTCLASSED. Next match, you go back out there and are MASSIVELY OUTCLASSED all over again.
It doesn't take a keen cricket analyst to figure out which situation we're in here.
