The American mass shooting thread

[a_chap]

I'll finish the list for you:

* a short attention span

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I'll finish the list for you:

* a short attention span

I accidentally hit "enter" before I was finished. I went back in and edited it.

 

[8ball]

I've heard teachers say that if a kid has one friend, they don't worry about them.

Fortunately Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold had each other.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Fortunately Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold had each other.

That's an outlier. How, other than gun control do you proposed dealing with it? Gun control just ain't happening. So we need to figure something else out.

 

[8ball]

That's an outlier. How, other than gun control do you proposed dealing with it? Gun control just ain't happening. So we need to figure something else out.

What is the "something else"? Seems like a decent mental healthcare system and addressing the manifold causes of alienation is a much bigger task than tweaking some gun control laws.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's an outlier. How, other than gun control do you proposed dealing with it? Gun control just ain't happening. So we need to figure something else out.

amputation of trigger fingers at birth

 

[8ball]

amputation of trigger fingers at birth

If you stopped white men having guns until their late 40s that would pretty much wipe out random (random-ish) mass shootings too, but I think YW has an idea about something that might actually be on the table.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

What is the "something else"? Seems like a decent mental healthcare system and addressing the manifold causes of alienation is a much bigger task than tweaking some gun control laws.

Our medical and mental health systems are so messed up we have to do a total revamp of them anyway.

 

[8ball]

Our medical and mental health systems are so messed up we have to do a total revamp of our medical and mental health system anyway.

I think many of those people most enthusiastic about guns probably would be no happier with your ideas about reform on that front than they would be with the idea of (meaningful) gun control.

 

[Pickman's model]

If you stopped white men having guns until their late 40s that would pretty much wipe out random (random-ish) mass shootings too, but I think YW has an idea about something that might actually be on the table.

stephen paddock was 64 when he killed 58 people and injured more than 850 others in las vegas

 

[Pickman's model]

I think many of those people most enthusiastic about guns probably would be no happier with your ideas about reform on that front than they would be with the idea of (meaningful) gun control.

there will be no positive changes on either gun control or medical or mental health care

 

[8ball]

stephen paddock was 64 when he killed 58 people and injured more than 850 others in las vegas

And...

 

[8ball]

there will be no positive changes on either gun control or medical or mental health care

Right little ray of sunshine today, ain't cha.

Not going to comment on whether I think you're right...

 

[Pickman's model]

And...

stephen paddock was 64 when he killed 58 people and injured more than 850 others in las vegas.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I think many of those people most enthusiastic about guns probably would be no happier with your ideas about reform on that front than they would be with the idea of (meaningful) gun control.

Even conservatives are ready for that to change. If you look at polls, even a lot of people in red states are ready for medicare for all. More than 50%. The problem is our politicians don't really work for the people. They work for corporate interests that like things as the are, or who want to further monetize suffering. I don't see the right ever being willing to change the gun situation.

 

[8ball]

stephen paddock was 64 when he killed 58 people and injured more than 850 others in las vegas.

Cool. Just an isolated comment, then. I thought maybe you had mis-read my post #1360 and were trying to draw a comparison.

 

[Pickman's model]

Cool. Just an isolated comment, then. I thought maybe you had mis-read my post #1360 and were trying to draw a comparison.

aulder people can be mass killers too - don't forget auld dr shipman

 

[8ball]

Even conservatives are ready for that to change. If you look at polls, even a lot of people in red states are ready for medicare for all. More than 50%. The problem is our politicians don't really work for the people. They work for corporate interests that like things as the are, or who want to further monetize suffering. I don't see the right ever being willing to change the gun situation.

I think the gun situation is similar to a small extent in that you can speak candidly to NRA members about whether someone with a particular history of mental health and violence issues should be able to buy a particular firearm, and you can sometimes get some nuanced, well-thought out responses. Publicly, though, saying such things would be seen as conceding ground in the battle with an enemy who they see as intent on disarming them.

 

[tim]

There's not much point in trying to control arms sales, given the vast quantity of weapons already in circulation.

 

[8ball]

aulder people can be mass killers too - don't forget auld dr shipman

True - by 'pretty much wipe out', I did mean it, though, in that the current numbers of shootings are *so* massive that those older killers would be barely register.
The vast majority of mass shooters are young-ish. And the biggest predictor by a country mile is being male.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I think the gun situation is similar to a small extent in that you can speak candidly to NRA members about whether someone with a particular history of mental health and violence issues should be able to buy a particular firearm, and you can sometimes get some nuanced, well-thought out responses. Publicly, though, saying such things would be seen as conceding ground in the battle with an enemy who they see as intent on disarming them.

Yep. There's a kind of tribalism in US politics that isn't healthy and contributes to the nonsense being spoken about a whole range of issues, up to, an including, if broccoli is a food or not.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

There's not much point in trying to control arms sales, given the vast quantity of weapons already in circulation.

Last time I checked there was a about one gun for every man, woman, and child in the country. It would take generations to shake all the guns out of American society.

 

[8ball]

Yep. There's a kind of tribalism in US politics that isn't healthy and contributes to the nonsense being spoken about a whole range of issues, up to, an including, if broccoli is a food or not.

I'm aware that George Bush Snr was not a fan of broccoli, but srsly?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I'm aware that George Bush Snr was not a fan of broccoli, but srsly?

Do you think the term "soy boys" came out of nowhere?

 

[Pickman's model]

Last time I checked there was a about one gun for every man, woman, and child in the country. It would take generations to shake all the guns out of American society.

Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

 

[8ball]

Do you think the term "soy boys" came out of nowhere?

No, but any connection between the term and broccoli seems well-disguised.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

No, but any connection between the term and broccoli seems well-disguised.

I'm sorry, I thought you were aware of the reaction against anything vegetarian and the right in the US. Some preachers have even equated vegetarianism with Satanism. The left on the other hand, are soy yoghurt-weaving commies.

Christian TV host: Vegetarian hamburgers are a ‘Luciferian’ plot to change human DNA

 

[tim]

... Some preachers have even equated vegetarianism with Satanism. The left on the other hand, are soy yoghurt-weaving commies.

Christian TV host: Vegetarian hamburgers are a ‘Luciferian’ plot to change human DNA

At least he actually believes in DNA.

 

[Humberto]

Good grief! You are sounding like an Old Testament prophet here.

I know right. The bonkersness is overtaking me too often.

 

[Humberto]

Bye.