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Apparently you can't have medical checks for right to buy a firearm due to patient confidentiality :facepalm:. Also US Dr's unwilling to sign anything that says somebody is fit to own a gun its like a certificate to be sued if anything happens ever.
Also it would stigmatise the mentally ill from seeking help.
Frankly if your taking powerful anti pyschotics your not fit for militia duty no guns for you. :).
 
Blaming “mental illness” is one of the standard tactics of the US gun lobby (who of course have no interest in providing mental health care, any more than the liberals) and not something to be encouraged. Being hospitalised is a sign of being ill, not violent.

26 police callouts would seem to be concerning though, if they were for violent incidents and there were real, sensible people making the calls.
 
was not trying to link it to mental illness


would be daft to link it to that in a state that allow a format to open carry


You don't have to be mental ill to be violent

any Friday night in town will make that clear
 
Mentally ill doesn't mean violent but if your taking medication driving and operating heavy machinery is probably not a good idea and firearms should be on that list as well.
 
the day in day out carnage is caused by handguns and mostly in the inner cities where ironically there's strict laws about guns which gun nuts love pointing out forgetting step outside said city limits and its a free for all.
 
The South Carolina suspect is a military veteran and sport shooter, so he'd probably have been one of the last people to lose his guns even if the US had sane gun laws - in this case, the NRA will probably roll out their "It's a mental illness problem, not a gun problem" line instead of claiming more guns could have prevented the shooting.
Images captured from Frederick Hopkins’ Facebook show comments he made in 2014 talking about taking his 12-year-old to a shooting range and firing an M-14 rifle “set up exactly like one I used in Viet Nam in 69-70.”

“I just love the smell of gunpowder in the mornin’s,” he wrote in the post to commemorate his 70th birthday. The post also says he had been “shooting competitively since 1984 and lovin’ it.”
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The Latest: Shooting suspect lost law license over fees
 
More seriously, I think it will take a combination of a very different political climate in the USA and an atrocity, or series of atrocities, of a magnitude sufficient even to shock the NRA before anything will change.

When news of these shootings comes along, I find it hard to think anything but "ho hum".
 
8ball said:
More seriously, I think it will take a combination of a very different political climate in the USA and an atrocity, or series of atrocities, of a magnitude sufficient even to shock the NRA before anything will change.

When news of these shootings comes along, I find it hard to think anything but "ho hum".
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As if someone killing 20 kids of 6 - 7 years of age isn't atrocious enough.
It'll take someone 'important' getting killed for them even to think about it.
 
Saul Goodman said:
As if someone killing 20 kids of 6 - 7 years of age isn't atrocious enough.
It'll take someone 'important' getting killed for them even to think about it.
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In this climate, it clearly isn't atrocious enough.
And yes, something like that might well have more impact, the way things are.
 
The new season of South Park tackles Schools shootings in their first episode (season 22 episode 1 if you want to search it) its called "dead Kids", its online if you want to see how they handle the subject in their usual irreverent way.
 
the M14 rifle is a full-size military battle rifle that's accurate out to a 1000 meters rather than an assault rifle that's typically accurate to 300 meters it failed as a standard issue rifle and was replaced by the m16. It lived on as a sniper rifle and then modernized as a Designated Marksman rifle because the US army had warehouses full of them. Its got it own class of target competitions and hardly ever used in crime because its a full-size rifle with a solid stock makes it unconcealable.
If somebody did go bad with one he massively outranges any police weapons and the rifle will go straight through any cop body armor its also semi-automatic with a 20 round magazine and usually an expensive telescopic sight
 
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