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Yuwipi Woman said:
Where I live the murder rate is 4 per 100,000 people. Low by American standards. Half of that occurs in a very poor neighborhood in Omaha with bad schools, substandard housing, older housing stock with lead paint, high unemployment, food insecurity, deaths from despair, etc. I'm pretty sure we could lower the murder rate simply by more equitable distribution of wealth and putting some resources toward those issues early in life, even before limiting gun ownership.
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Yuwipi Woman said:
Where I live the murder rate is 4 per 100,000 people. Low by American standards. Half of that occurs in a very poor neighborhood in Omaha with bad schools, substandard housing, older housing stock with lead paint, high unemployment, food insecurity, deaths from despair, etc. I'm pretty sure we could lower the murder rate simply by more equitable distribution of wealth and putting some resources toward those issues early in life, even before limiting gun ownership.
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Deaths of despair - so much potential undiscovered, or wasted, or not welcomed. I defer to you on what America should do about gun ownership and where it should come in the list of priorities.
 
Tanya1982 said:
Deaths of despair - so much potential undiscovered, or wasted, or not welcomed. I defer to you on what America should do about gun ownership and where it should come in the list of priorities.
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What I would do and what is politically possible are two different things. Unfortunately, rebuilding broken neighborhoods and limiting gun ownership are things the politicians won't let us have.
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
What I would do and what is politically possible are two different things. Unfortunately, rebuilding broken neighborhoods and limiting gun ownership are things the politicians won't let us have.
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Oh yes, 'politically possible'. That weasel phrase that explains why life on Mars is politically (if not yet scientifically) possible, but making sure existing Americans on this planet - in nightclubs, schools, and supermarkets - are as safe as they are in every other developed country is somehow not 'politically possible'.
 
I think Aldrich might be either trying to mock nonbinary people or dodge a hate crime charge.

Kraus, 23, who said he once considered Aldrich a friend, also told The Daily Beast that the 22-year-old suspect in the mass shooting at the LGBTQ club Club Q that killed five people and injured 18 more on Saturday frequently used the word “f*ggot.”

Aldrich has since been charged with five counts of murder and five hate crimes in connection with the latest episode of mass gun violence in America to target the LGBTQ community.

“There would be times where he and his mom would get into fights, arguments, because he would be saying hateful things about whoever he was angry with,” Kraus told The Daily Beast. “He said things sometimes that probably should have been alarming to me. He used the term “f*ggot” a lot. Most of the time it came from a place of anger.”


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Tanya1982 said:
We've had events here in pubs - bombings and have you. I grew up near the Admiral Duncan (far right terrorist), and went out in Soho for years, and the West End more widely. Of all the things that fleetingly go through your mind - is my bag zipped up, where's the fire exit, if that weirdo follows me to another floor I'm leaving, even the odd moment of 'that rucksack seems to have been left behind, it could contain something horrific' etc, at least the thought of this isn't on the radar. Some loser, bursting in with assault weapons he legally bought, looking to take life and bring sheer terror to people doing nothing more than having fun.

It seems trite to say it should be illegal - and it is, after the fact. And then it happens later in the week somewhere else. And the next week. And in another school later that week, and then a synagogue on the Friday, and a church on the Sunday by yet another white supremacist, then in a workplace on the Monday morning by an aggrieved ex employee, and then later in a supermarket where people are just shopping for groceries, and then another nightclub, and on and on it goes. Plus litany of annual suicides that could've been stopped if the immediacy of a gun in the house wasn't right there in someone's darkest moments. It's just so fucked up.

When Iraq was at its most unstable, there were so many reports of mass deaths that, shamefully, they began to fade into one neverending parade of death. I'm sorry to say, the reports of American mass shootings are at that kind of point - it's just neverending parade of death. Different venue, different day, same tragic waste of life, same calls for more guns even including serious discussions about the need for armed kindergarten teachers.
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I think you've got it spot on. Especially the bit I've put in bold. The more familiar we become with this the less we see it.
 
dessiato said:
Not a shooting, so strictly doesn't belong here I suppose, but four people in one house murdered. And no clues about why or by whom.

www.theguardian.com

Lack of clues about University of Idaho killings fuels fear and rumors

The baffling murders of four students at an off-campus home last week have sown frustration and alarm in the small city of Moscow
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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4 people murdered in 1 go, and destined to be remembered as an example brought up only when even the tiniest concession to gun control is considered. "It's not guns, bad people find a way. What about knives, what about cars, should we ban them too?"

America has accepted that murder, spree murder and mass murder are OK. A price worth paying to be "the land of the free".
 
Zapp Brannigan said:
True, and murderers are prosecuted when they're still alive and caught. The US as a whole doesn't do a damn thing about preventing the next one though.
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And there lies the tragedy, the acceptance, by many, that murder is an acceptable price for gun ownership.
 
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Tanya1982 said:
He wishes he was a frat boy! I doubt he was ever invited to join the boys - that's his issue. He seems to me to be a glaring example of one of the great dangers of bullying - the bully grows up as a cunt with no love for anyone. He certainly is a definitive manbaby. One of his favourite lines seems to be that feminists are ugly, which I think translates to 'none of the popular girls would fuck me - they did everything they wanted to, but never me, boohoo'.

I watched one of his videos where he burst into a rape crisis centre wearing a tutu, and told the people he found there that they probably hadn't been raped but had merely misunderstood the primal need that men have to have rough sex with the kind of women they don't marry. Basically, they were sluts, and it wouldn't have happened if they'd worn their chastity pledge rings (he was a virgin until marriage, as was his wife - I learned that in another video).

He seems fond of his 'not gay' tee shirt. I think it's interesting that he always has some little twerp parked in the corner, his studio gimp, laughing manically at his endless stream of cruelty. He seems to get these guests on, where he speaks over them at a hundred miles an hour, he has no interest in their perspective or agreeing any common ground. He's well known enough by now that you'd think most appearance requests by him would be rejected.

He is without a single redeeming quality. I'm no shrinking violet but I'd feel quite unsafe if I was in his company or found myself alone in a street with him, or was at all unfortunate enough to find myself anywhere within his purview. There is something hideously compelling about his performance (hence my knowledge of him), kind of like driving past a car crash on the opposite carriageway. It's appalling. You know it'll stay with you, but you can't not.

I can see that a twisted mind, watching him straight up, could quickly run into difficulty. See also, Dan Wootton.

There are thousands of these fuckers, preying on misfits and the mentally ill. Whether they believe the stuff they are saying is the only real questio - in Crowders case, he's a true believer. A fucking gargoyle.
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I've heard of him but never seen a single second of any of his shows. After reading what you say, I'm going to continue to avoid him.
He sounds appalling
 
RedRedRose said:
Multiple fatalities in shooting at Walmart store in Virginia

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So fucked up

Six people have been killed after a Walmart manager allegedly opened fire at a store in Virginia, witnesses have said.

Police said a seventh person who died is believed to have been the gunman.


It happened in the city of Chesapeake, with police called shortly after 10pm local time, spokesman officer Leo Kosinski said.

"Chesapeake Police confirm an active shooter incident with fatalities at the Walmart on Sam's Circle. The shooter is deceased," the City of Chesapeake tweeted.
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rubbershoes said:
I've heard of him but never seen a single second of any of his shows. After reading what you say, I'm going to continue to avoid him.
He sounds appalling
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Steven Crowder is a desperate attention seeking shit-for-brains with a massive inferiority complex and serious daddy issues. For the true face of the 'banality of evil' look no further than Matt Walsh... He's a proper cunt's cunt.
 
Zapp Brannigan said:
True, and murderers are prosecuted when they're still alive and caught. The US as a whole doesn't do a damn thing about preventing the next one though.
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when the start shooting up elementary schools and the whole America just shrugged it shoulders and moved on you know the country as a whole is beyond saving the the fun ownership subject

just part of the American way
 
Terrible news again. Pretty sure that Virginia has EZ gun laws as a background. I assume that Walmart still flogs weapons and ammo despite being pilloried fir it over that past decade
 
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Colorado shooter's fathers comments quoted on BBC news are very revealing

The suspect's father, Nicholas Brink, 48, said in a local TV interview that his first reaction upon learning his son was in an LGBT bar was to be alarmed he might be gay.
Mr Brink - who said he was a mixed martial arts coach and former porn actor - told CBS 8 in San Diego: "I am a Mormon, I am a conservative Republican, and we don't do gay."
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I saw a report from one of the US news outlets where he says in an interview "phew, at least he's not gay"... Apparently the guy is also a recovering meth addict as well... In the interview he was slurring and barely coherent -he sounded hammered and, despite being a recovering addict, came across as a very unpleasant character with few (if any) redeeming qualities.
 
Cloo said:
Colorado shooter's fathers comments quoted on BBC news are very revealing
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I was just coming here with the same...

www.salon.com

"I'm just glad he's not gay," says father of alleged Club Q shooter

"We don't do gay," Aaron Brink, father of Colorado shooting suspect Anderson Lee Aldrich said with relief
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This conservative Mormon Republican is the star of 'I Wanna Get Titty Fucked' and 'Latina Slut Academy' - maybe they show them at some strictly not gay Kingdom Hall film club.
 
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