The American mass shooting thread

[ovaltina]

 

[Pickman's model]

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not sure what point you're trying to make here

 

[ovaltina]

 

[Pickman's model]

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could you not just highlight the information you're wanting to pass on and provide a link to the site, because it's very difficult for me, and probably for other people too, to see what your object is in posting these screengrabs

 

[extra dry]

could you not just highlight the information you're wanting to pass on and provide a link to the site, because it's very difficult for me, and probably for other people too, to see what your object is in posting these screengrabs

well it is really what ever point you would like to make, I could say that there is possibility that the citizens of these country have a war going on, multi war conflict, no end in sight. Ban guns.

 

[bcuster]

Police: 3rd victim in Alabama church shooting dies

 

[Pickman's model]

well it is really what ever point you would like to make, I could say that there is possibility that the citizens of these country have a war going on, multi war conflict, no end in sight. Ban guns.

Yes guns is nasty. Rely on the state to make it better. I'm not convinced

 

[PTK]

Yes guns is nasty. Rely on the state to make it better. I'm not convinced

 

[PTK]

Yes guns is nasty. Rely on the state to make it better. I'm not convinced

The state allows people to obtain the means of shooting people. It should not do so.

 

[Pickman's model]

The state allows people to obtain the means of shooting people. It should not do so.

There shouldn't be a state. And your quotes are in a fucking state. Sort it out

 

[PTK]

There shouldn't be a state. And your quotes are in a fucking state. Sort it out

There shouldn't be a state? How old are you?

 

[A380]

 

[Pickman's model]

There shouldn't be a state? How old are you?

Let's see your adult arguments for the state then. I suspect they'll just be immature whines that we need grown ups in charge. But maybe I'll be surprised

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe not

 

[story]

Friday nights ain’t what they once were Pickman’s

 

[A380]

Friday nights ain’t what they once were Pickman’s

I feel somewhat cheated.

 

[8ball]

Police: 3rd victim in Alabama church shooting dies

That has to be the worst potluck dinner ever.

 

[petee]

Law enforcement is tracking online calls for violent attacks targeting Juneteenth events and inspired by the Buffalo, N.Y., shooting, according to intelligence bulletins obtained by Yahoo News.

The bulletins detail several posts widely circulated in white supremacist online forums calling for attacks on events related to the June 19 federal holiday, which celebrates the end of slavery. The posts, according to the bulletins, encourage attacks inspired by 18-year-old Payton Gendron, the white suspect accused of killing 10 Black people at a Buffalo grocery store last month.

Law enforcement is tracking calls for Buffalo-inspired attacks on Juneteenth

Intelligence bulletins obtained by Yahoo News detail several posts widely circulated in white supremacist online forums calling for attacks on events related to the June 19 federal holiday, which celebrates the end of slavery.

www.yahoo.com

 

[two sheds]

This data could help put an end to America’s deadly mass shootings

Co-founder of The Violence Project tells Andrew Buncombe how crunching numbers could help prevent more tragedies

www.independent.co.uk

The academics have scrutinised data from 180 mass shootings within the United States and looked for pattens.

They found that in 80 per cent of cases, the gunman – it is almost invariably a young man – had suffered and displayed the signs of some sort of personal crisis prior to the incident, and that almost all intended to lose their lives. Many had already contemplated suicide.

One of the myths they debunked was that the shooters would be termed mentally ill by most definitions: psychosis, described as when people lost touch with reality, was a factor in less than 30 per cent of shootings.

They add: “The monsters are not ‘them’, they are ‘us’ – boys and men we know. Our children. Our students. Our colleagues. Our community. They’re walking in and out of the same secure doors we are, past the same armed guards every day, like the rest of us.”

“And we identified this common pathway to violence that we saw over and over again. It often started with kind of serious violence in childhood, abuse, neglect. Different forms of trauma kind of laid the foundation. Then you see, over time, a build where they become isolated, depressed, hopeless.”

She adds: “Oftentimes…they’re actively suicidal or have attempted suicide previously. Then that self-hate kind of turned outward, and you see perpetrators finding who it is that they blame for how awful they feel.”

Ironically they've had death threats themselves. And as noted in the comments there's no talk of gun control. The article is a bit short on the preventive measures they recommend:

One fundamental idea is to give all teachers training in basic mental health awareness, another is an anonymous tip line where students or parents can forward any concerns or worries they may have.

Sonnek says they are also trialing a new app for students phones – the “Stop It” app.

“This will be an app that students in some of our secondary schools have access to where there’s a 24 hour crisis response,” she says, speaking from from Roseville. “And somebody responds, each time a student hits the app.”

... “ I would say [the approach] it takes a more like it takes a more human approach that humanises people as well like our shared humanity and how we’re connected to one another,” she says. “I think that everybody would much rather prevent a shooting from happening or prevent an act of violence, rather than we’re going to be really equipped if it does happen.”

Difficult picking out patterns of mass shooters with death threats and threats of violence being so common on social media now I'd have thought.

 

[two sheds]

We don't want too much data out there though.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/uvalde-police-try-to-prevent-release-of-embarrassing-info.html

The city of Uvalde, Texas, and its police department are trying to block the release of public records from last month’s deadly attack on an elementary school where law enforcement was accused of responding too slowly.

According to a letter obtained by Vice News from an attorney representing Uvalde, local authorities fear that some of the material could have “highly embarrassing information” related to the police response. The letter was written by a private law firm to lobby the state’s attorney general, who will rule which records ultimately will be released to the public.

The attorneys for Uvalde argue that body-camera footage, 911 calls, emails, and texts related to the shooting should not be released, arguing that some of the information is “not of legitimate concern to the public ...

 

[Storm Fox]

Let's see your adult arguments for the state then. I suspect they'll just be immature whines that we need grown ups in charge. But maybe I'll be surprised

I genuinely would like to know how a stateless society should work.
Having a state may not be ideal and the UK and USA at the moment have particularly bad examples, but I cannot see that a stateless society would be better

How would a stateless society run:
Who makes the laws and has the authority to detain people and try to prevent re-offending, either through punishment or rehabilitation.
How would education be organised as well as civic projects such as roads and rail.
How would taxation work and welfare work? who would have the authority to do this?

How would members of this stateless society be expected to participate as it seems to me to require more participation than now?

I'm not trying to be a dick, as I said above I cannot see how it could work and would be interested in knowing how.

 

[chandlerp]

Juneteenth is a fucking stupid name.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Not as bad as platty jubes though

 

[hitmouse]

oops wrong thread

 

[NoXion]

I genuinely would like to know how a stateless society should work.

As far as I can tell, the answer is to make a classless society with as many state-like functions being as ultra-democratic as possible, hope that nobody points out that the resulting organisation is still a de facto state, and if they do point that out, respond that the state is defined solely as an organ of class rule and there's no class so there's no state, innit?

 

[8ball]

As far as I can tell, the answer is to make a classless society with as many state-like functions being as ultra-democratic as possible, hope that nobody points out that the resulting organisation is still a de facto state, and if they do point that out, respond that the state is defined solely as an organ of class rule and there's no class so there's no state, innit?

Or you could re-define the term ‘state’ a bit more radically and get to a stateless society in a single puff of linguistic contortion.

 

[likesfish]

so 3 times the number of deaths of the entire troubles every fucking year .
no chance of a a new civil war nobody would notice amognst the daily carnage

 

[Ax^]

maybe aside from if they tried to take the capital

but we will see when a country starts questioning if school shooting are staged

its quite lost

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

maybe aside from if they tried to take the capital

but we will see when a country starts questioning if school shooting are staged

its quite lost

There's plenty of crazy to go around. I spent the weekend in a rural area and one lady I talked to was convinced that the US government is trying to starve us by manipulating the weather. The shortages we gave are deliberately caused by the government "to end our freedom."

She got this idea from TikTok videos that she says she trusts more than than the "fake news."

 

[krtek a houby]

There's plenty of crazy to go around. I spent the weekend in a rural area and one lady I talked to was convinced that the US government is trying to starve us by manipulating the weather. The shortages we gave are deliberately caused by the government "to end our freedom."

She got this idea from TikTok videos that she says she trusts more than than the "fake news."

Did you attempt to change her mind, or was it a wall of impossible?