Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

The 6 Nations 2019 Thread

I'm not saying he wasn't a great player I was just sometimes surprised about how regularly he started given other great options at flanker. To me he never justified the consistent selection - but then I suppose the qualities of a captain on the rugby pitch aren't always as obvious from afar.
Honestly, SpackleFrog, check the squidge video. He may never have been as flashy as Tipuric but his management of the breakdown and defence was, imvho, up there with the true greats of the game in his position and I'm including McCaw here. Agreed that as a link player he lost out to the likes of Tips but I guess very few players are the absolute all round full package.
 
Honestly, SpackleFrog, check the squidge video. He may never have been as flashy as Tipuric but his management of the breakdown and defence was, imvho, up there with the true greats of the game in his position and I'm including McCaw here. Agreed that as a link player he lost out to the likes of Tips but I guess very few players are the absolute all round full package.

Yeah, fair, gone and had a look and perhaps I hadn't appreciated that Warburton's ability at the breakdown was what kept Tipuric out of the staring XV so much. I didn't realise he'd received so few cards in his career either which is very impressive for an open side flanker and his ability to deal with referees probably also had an influence.

I had a pet theory for a while that it would be great for Warburton to play at blindside and for Tipuric to start as open side, which I would have liked to see just to know how it worked.

Perhaps I'll rephrase my original point then and say that I agree that AWJ who is also phenomenal at the breakdown doesn't get the credit that Warburton often (but not always) did.
 
E2A: or watch this

I've seen one other video of his which was also really good, and which I felt I'd need to watch several times to get the full benefit. The text goes too fast for me, though, I've ended up trying to follow it all and just come out with a headache :( . Not a criticism though.
 
.

I had a pet theory for a while that it would be great for Warburton to play at blindside and for Tipuric to start as open side, which I would have liked to see just to know how it worked.

Tips played 7 and Warburton (when fit) during the '16 and' 17 seasons. Alongside Faletau they formed (IMO) the best backrow in the world at the time in terms of balance.

Perhaps I'll rephrase my original point then and say that I agree that AWJ who is also phenomenal at the breakdown doesn't get the credit that Warburton often (but not always) did.

:)
 
I've seen one other video of his which was also really good, and which I felt I'd need to watch several times to get the full benefit. The text goes too fast for me, though, I've ended up trying to follow it all and just come out with a headache :( . Not a criticism though.
Yeah. Really annoying. I just listen to them rather than trying to read.
 
Tips played 7 and Warburton (when fit) during the '16 and' 17 seasons. Alongside Faletau they formed (IMO) the best backrow in the world at the time in terms of balance.



:)

That's true, had forgotten that but then he was never fit. Would have been great to see a bit earlier!

Hope Faletau comes back strong and is fit for the world cup.
 
Yeah. Really annoying. I just listen to them rather than trying to read.

I feel like I should replay them at 1/3 speed. I realized why I got the headache though I had cataract operation late last year so for first time in near 60 years I'm not wearing glasses. My right eye is now longsighted but my left eye is shortsighted. Normally that's fine and I'm just processing the information from my right eye but I'm straining to read the text or see what he's describing and it gave me a headache from straining my left eye muscles. So not something that will happen to everyone - shame though I feel I could really learn from what he's saying.
 
Coulda, shoulda, woulda

If only Sexton didn't kick like a drain that day we would have been out of sight. Out of sight.

Anyway back to shitposting ;):D
:D

I only meant that for all that Ireland were ahead of the pack last season they maybe weren't quite as far out of sight as some of the pundits were making out. But yeah, if my aunt had a dick and all that. ... ;)
 
:D

I only meant that for all that Ireland were ahead of the pack last season they maybe weren't quite as far out of sight as some of the pundits were making out. But yeah, if my aunt had a dick and all that. ... ;)

Totally this - all that 'back to back slams' chat looks a bit daft now.
 
Not sure if this is where to put it but cigar chomping capitalists want to inject squi££ions into the 6N. This would obviously mean pay to view TV (shit), fewer player rights (shit) and more power to the unions (in Wales, shit). On the other hand, in Wales at least, it would mean vastly more resources into regional and grassroots rugby (caveat: see WRU - shit) that for us could literally mean the difference between the survival or the ending of the game as a meaningful thing here.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47547746

Thoughts?
 
Aaaaaand here comes the bunfight: Saes and French demanding more cash than the others as they're obviously more successf.....oh!

Six Nations unions divided over revenue and Nations Championship plans

E2A: I made up the last bit - they actually need to appease their clubs, apparently. The most successful international side in 6N history would obviously be happy to stand aside in favour of the might of the Newcastle Falcons and Worcester :rolleyes:
 
Last edited:
Well done Wales deserved slam winner's, Ireland wot a let down was expecting a much better game than that fucking embarrassing. Not as embarrassing as nearly losing a game 31 -38 after being 31 0 up though . England u fucking cocks. :facepalm:

Still sure St Eddie has something up his sleeves to win the cup though. Hope so , just to annoy the celts :p
 
Fair play to Donncha O'Callaghan, this is an absolute peach of an article about his experiences of playing against and alongside the Welsh. Massively insightful, empathetic, respectful and funny. A fitting counterbalance to that cont, Francis.

Donncha O’Callaghan: Wales is rugby heaven – no wonder one player was homesick in Surrey
March 16 2019, 12:01am,

Welsh players are a unique breed who always peak for the biggest games in Cardiff


There’s a slogan painted on the walls at Parc y Scarlets, “Welcome to Heart and Soul Rugby Country.” They ought to etch that in the arrivals area of Cardiff Airport too, just to make it more obvious. When you come here it’s to play a nation, not a team.

The initial plan for this column was a tactical assessment of Wales and a view on how Ireland could hurt them. Yet the more I thought about this the more I knew that to delve into game plans and counter game plans would be to miss the forest for the trees.

The truth is that Ireland, and pretty much everybody that takes a keen interest in rugby, knows what Wales are going to do. They’ll kick in behind quite a lot, they’ll tackle high and look for chokes and reefs, they’ll offload and seek to keep the ball in play. We could get a nice few boxes on the page with arrows pointing left and right. There is a time for that; it’s not now.

What Wales are going to do is not important; how they are going to do it is. To understand how Wales do it you have to understand them and their rugby culture.

No more so than Ireland, they are raised on songs and stories — yet that lore and legend leads to a certain place, to the red jersey and molten heat of Cardiff on international days.

You may think there is little room for magic in modern professional sport. Then you look at the Wales team. In every other country a good club player is an average international. In Wales, average club players become excellent internationals.

Cold logic does not always trump a belief in something higher. The examples with Wales are myriad; the latest I’ve seen is Josh Adams. I played with Josh at Worcester, a talented and prolific performer for sure. Yet that try he scored against Scotland... I just don’t believe he would have done that for Worcester. If he receives the ball in that position with his club his onboard computer tells him to stay out of touch, to win the collison, present quickly. When playing for Wales, he doesn’t entertain such mundanities.

There is one mindset: I’m going to beat this man on the outside. And off he goes and skins Blair Kinghorn in four metres of space. Rugby speak will tell you that he “backed himself” here. Sure, he did, but he also backed Wales. He’s no longer Josh Adams, a standout winger with a club towards the foot of the Gallagher Premiership. Now he’s wearing the shirt of Shane Williams and JJ Williams. In that moment he’s not thinking about them, but he knows, and it’s in the collective unconscious.

Play at the Principality Stadium and you will know all about that. When Wales are banging on the try line the noise is something you rarely experience. It is loud elsewhere but this is like the way you can tell the difference when your child is crying to raise the roof, or if there is urgent feeling behind the cry. The roar in Cardiff has an emotional timbre; it’s a primal desire from the pit of the crowd’s belly. They must crash over that line. In those moments you feel distinctly human, while trying to resist a force of nature.

Break a Welsh team down into its constituent parts and you are rarely overawed. Like most years Irish provinces are outshining the Welsh regions. Next week all of our players go back to prepare for European quarter-finals of some class. Wales won’t — this is their everything. It wouldn’t surprise me if their players wanted to stay holed up together until the World Cup.

Being in camp with the Welsh is something I’ve been lucky to experience on two Lions tours. A lot of supporters say the Welsh are the spirit of the tour; it’s the same with the players. They are different, but serious craic — once they have accepted the fact that they have to leave Wales to go on this trip that is.

For the 2005 tour, we played a warm-up match against Argentina in Cardiff. Michael Owen, the great Welsh No 8, was able to stay at home for the few days we were based in Cardiff. Then we moved to Pennyhill Park hotel, outside London, for a couple of nights before flying south.

“How are you doing?” he says to me one day. “Yeah, I’m good thanks,” I say, thinking his question a bit out of the blue. “You?”

“I’m struggling bud,” he says shaking his head. “... homesick.”

Nowadays I would be more sympathetic, and admire how someone could love their home and family so much that they didn’t want to be be away for a night. At the time I thought it was hilarious. We’d slag the Welsh players over how they’d get homesick crossing the Severn Bridge — here was more proof. How was Michael going to cope with two months in New Zealand if he couldn’t take being a few hours down the M4?

For the 2009 tour we were left waiting for the Welsh bus at Pennyhill. Ten minutes late, 20 minutes, still no sign. No one’s saying anything but you can tell lads are thinking, “Who the hell shows up late to a Lions tour?”

Thirty minutes late, in rolls the Welsh bus. It turned out they were late because Andy Powell’s mum was crying and hugging Andy so much outside the bus. “I’m so proud of you son ... I’m so proud of you.” She had also brought a load of sandwiches for the boys before their journey. As soon as you hear that you’re almost overcome with love for the Welsh; the butterflies who cannot be broken on the wheel of professionalism.

That said, who turned up on the tour? Andy Powell’s mum! The sandwiches and tears were just a ceremony to mark the leaving of Wales!

Andy was my room-mate. His reputation as a wildman is deserved. But he has also got a pure heart, he’s really quite a sweet man, in his own way. Towards the end of that tour, Jen, my wife, was over. The rules were relaxed by then and Jen stayed at the hotel. At some small hour of the morning we were startled by the sight of Andy creeping into the room. He taps Jen on the shoulder. “Jen,” he says, holding up a paper bag in the dark. “I got you a Big Mac love.”

“Oh, thanks Andy,” she says.

With that he takes off again, Jen wondering what she’s supposed to do with a cold Big Mac in the middle of the night. Next morning we woke early to the sight of Andy sprawled on the next bed, naked in a puddle of his fake tan.

The Welsh love their spray tans, or at least they did. “Look good, play good,” they’d say to sceptical team-mates. For the same reason, they liked occlusion training. Never mind the scientific benefits or absence thereof, just make those arms look more vascular!

This desire to look the part fits with their character, which thrives on confidence. Like ourselves, the Welsh can get low, but when they are up, boy are they up. Once they get on a run and have a sniff of a grand slam they are stunningly efficient at locking their jaws for the kill. Ireland, certainly in the past, could be cowed by opportunity but Wales grow into it. They will have been walking around like gods this past week, full sure they’re going to win. Stop them from winning a grand slam in Cardiff? You may as well try to shove back the tide.

What will Ireland do? What they should not do is make the mistake that we did in the past: look at their club video clips and form when compared to ours and think that we have superior players and a sophisticated plan and that will win out. Then you get hit by a wall of decibel-infused rapid-twitch red muscle. Your plan then feels incomplete. Of course, it is important to have a strategy but you must also know that it will be redundant for some of the match. These aren’t the Clark Kents you know from Ospreys and Scarlets, they’ve brought their capes for this.

To have success in Cardiff you have to go with the forces around you. When you’re caught by an ocean rip, you don’t thrash your legs against it, but let it take you and when the time is right, hit it hard. Don’t get irritated by the choir, always on your side during the warm up, nor should you let that goat bother you, if he is still on the loose. Drink in the noise and the best anthem in the history of nations. Feel the fervour of the crowd and let it fire you as it does them. Accept that they will bang on your line, and probably score at some stage. Yet despite how they may feel, Wales aren’t superheroes. They will make mistakes, and Ireland can capitalise and put their squeeze on. In this remarkable amphitheatre, the travelling fans can make a brilliant noise too.

Irish players must know that this is a huge challenge but, far more important, it’s your childhood wishes made real. To play here with a grand slam on the line is a privilege and one of the most vital experiences you could have.

I like the old stories, but I’m not much given to the nostalgia of wishing back the past. I’m happy to be a retired player. But this is one of those days I would love to be back in green, running out of the tunnel, the roar so vast you feel a physical thump at your back. Rarely can you feel so alive. As far as our sport goes, this is the still point of the spinning world, where myth and men collide. It’s our mecca, the lucid dream of anybody who’s felt their studs twist in the earth as they kick and scrap for every inch. It’s rugby heaven, breathe it deep. I understand why the Welsh boys don’t like leaving for too long.
 
Last edited:
Aaaaaand here comes the bunfight: Saes and French demanding more cash than the others as they're obviously more successf.....oh!

Six Nations unions divided over revenue and Nations Championship plans

E2A: I made up the last bit - they actually need to appease their clubs, apparently. The most successful international side in 6N history would obviously be happy to stand aside in favour of the might of the Newcastle Falcons and Worcester :rolleyes:
Rugby faces similar problems to cricket as more money enters the game. Unlike say football how much you're paid doesn't only depend on how good you are. It varies hugely depending on your nationality. It's not quite as extreme as cricket (England regularly lose test matches to players who are paid 10 per cent of what the losing england players get) but it's only likely to get worse. Like cricket. :(
 
Thoughts?

6N is the only annual rugby union competition that has any kind of wider non-rugby audience interest in the northern hemisphere. Putting it behind a paywall is not a good idea. Relatively niche sports (essentially all the ones that aren't football, sadly) need to keep some flagship stuff free-to-air. The ECB made that mistake after the 2005 Ashes, the R&A have done it with the Open.
 
We should always oppose the selling off of our sports.
I know, but the sport in Wales at least isn't paying for itself. It's astonishing how we continue to garner success at the top level when the grassroots, semi pro and regional game is withering on the vine and at some point there will have to be a reckoning. If a pact with the devil is the only salvation for Welsh rugby surely we would have to consider it, or given another decade of the same underinvestment we'll be on our knees. /slight devil's advocate mode off/
 
Last edited:
I know, but the sport in Wales at least isn't paying for itself. It's astonishing how we continue to garner success at the top level when the grassroots, semi pro and regional game is withering on the vine and at some point there will have to be a reckoning. If a pact with the devil is the only salvation for Welsh rugby surely we would have to consider it, or given another decade of the same underinvestment we'll be on our knees. /slight devil's advocate mode off/
Setting aside the ethics of it, you don't help the grassroots by putting the big matches behind a paywall. All you do, long-term, is reduce the number of kids who get into the game through watching it on TV and wither the grassroots even more. The case study for that is cricket. It's 14 years now since test cricket disappeared behind a paywall. International players now earn a fortune (not that they weren't doing fine before) and the counties are also mostly doing fine despite the odd disaster, with county players paid more than they used to get. But at grassroots level the game has been in decline since the 2005 Ashes, which ought to have been a catalyst for growth. Instead, the number of people playing at non-elite level has gone down, and as the clubs have weakened, the players now reaching the top are from a much narrower social base - the vast majority of top players were state school, not private school, pre-sell off (in reality learning the game at clubs rather than at school); this is no longer true, despite the schemes like 'chance to shine' that were funded by the Sky money. Reality now is that even the game's biggest stars like Root or Stokes are not known by young kids. Compare and contrast to the fame of someone like Botham in the past. This is all due to the lack of exposure on free-to-air tv.

Long-term, shoving a sport behind a paywall only harms it. And that's before getting on to the ethics of it.

Similar justifications were made in cricket at the time - saying that this is the only way. It wasn't true then and it isn't true now.
 
Back
Top Bottom