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The 6 Nations 2019 Thread

Talking of one-eyed bile here's what everyone's favourite and most impartial sports journo, Neil Francis vomited onto his keyboard in between bouts of kicking his cat yesterday :D

Neil Francis: 'No invention, no surprises, no continuity and no wit - Ireland have become mediocre in three months' - Independent.ie

Hilarious.

They didn't become mediocre in 3 months. They shone last year when England and Wales were both underperforming, and even then they only squeaked past France in Paris.

What happened to Ireland over the last year is that people started to think a very good team was a great team.
 
Hilarious.

They didn't become mediocre in 3 months. They shone last year when England and Wales were both underperforming, and even then they only squeaked past France in Paris.

What happened to Ireland over the last year is that people started to think a very good team was a great team.
It's the way he manages to give pretty much zero credit to Wales that I love the most.

They were also a mistimed pass away from losing to us in Dublin last year.
 
What's really fascinating is the complete lack of credit from all quarters for Wales' incredible defensive line in our own 22. From England fans in particular the comments about gamesmanship are incredibly hypocritical.

I still personally think Gatland's tactical approach to some games is poor, and I think it's odd that when Wales are praised it's mostly aimed at him rather than the players, but you just cannot argue with the way Gatland and Edwards have coached and built that defence.
 
What's really fascinating is the complete lack of credit from all quarters for Wales' incredible defensive line in our own 22. From England fans in particular the comments about gamesmanship are incredibly hypocritical.

I still personally think Gatland's tactical approach to some games is poor, and I think it's odd that when Wales are praised it's mostly aimed at him rather than the players, but you just cannot argue with the way Gatland and Edwards have coached and built that defence.
It was ever thus. I think the only slam we've ever had real credit for was '05 (though the mood music then was that it was a flash in the pan and that we only won it because our betters were off colour or rebuilding). People are making a lot of England's try count (which was impressive) and a number of journos are insinuating that they have more reasons to be confident going into the World Cup. Me, I'd take 14 games undefeated against every tier 1 side bar the ABs in a calendar year and winning, sometimes with panache, sometimes ugly but always with guts, determination and confidence in the gameplan and in their fellow players over running in a load of tries, getting bossed in Cardiff and blowing a 31 point lead anytime.
 
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There is a certain elegance to winning a slam with no bonus points (aside from the slam ones).

Compare and contrast England's defence vs Scotland with Wales's. ;)
 
It was ever thus. I think the only slam we've ever had real credit for was '05 (though the mood music then was that it was a flash in the pan and that we only won it because our betters were off colour or rebuilding). People are making a lot of England's try count (which was impressive) and a number of journos are insinuating that they have more reasons to be confident going into the World Cup. Me, I'd take 14 games undefeated against every tier 1 side bar the ABs in a calendar year and winning, sometimes with panache, sometimes ugly but always with guts, determination and confidence in the gameplan and in their fellow players over running in a load of tries, getting bossed in Cardiff and blowing a 31 point lead anytime.
Hard to argue Wales aren't the second-best team in the world at the moment. That's kind of worrying. :D
 
There is a certain elegance to winning a slam with no bonus points (aside from the slam ones).

Compare and contrast England's defence vs Scotland with Wales's. ;)
I have to admit that the highlights DVD for this campaign will lack the sparkle of the '05 one or the '12 one with Shane in his pomp. For me, though, the sheer physicality we brought to collisions and our absolute dominance of the gainline were things in their own way that are just as beautiful as dancing feet and well-worked tries. Seeing attacks dismantled by the drifting blitz, Gareth Davies haring up like an exocet in the faces of opposition outside halves and their carriers smashed behind the gainline again and again are things of rare beauty. It's still rugby at its best, it's just a different kind of appreciation.
 
I have to admit that the highlights DVD for this campaign will lack the sparkle of the '05 one or the '12 one with Shane in his pomp. For me, though, the sheer physicality we brought to collisions and our absolute dominance of the gainline were things in their own way that are just as beautiful as dancing feet and well-worked tries. Seeing attacks dismantled by the drifting blitz, Gareth Davies haring up like an exocet in the faces of opposition outside halves and their carriers smashed behind the gainline again and again are things of rare beauty. It's still rugby at its best, it's just a different kind of appreciation.
When I was a young kid, Wales being great was a given - and Wales not playing like England was also quite important. (I only really pay attention to the SN/WC, tbh.) But then during the 90s, I remember a load of performances in which moments of brilliance were interspersed with giving away brainless penalties. I still don't want Wales to play like England, winning is nice, though.
 
Hard to argue Wales aren't the second-best team in the world at the moment. That's kind of worrying. :D

A lot of teams not looking great that's for sure! England, France, Ireland, South Africa and Australia all well below the level you'd expect them to be at.
 
A lot of teams not looking great that's for sure! England, France, Ireland, South Africa and Australia all well below the level you'd expect them to be at.
Maybe. There's the danger of talking down opponents when you beat them rather than talking yourself up, though. Before the start of the 6N this year, I was reading about England's opening match being effectively a GS decider, while bigging up England's chances at the WC already. It's that kind of thing that makes results like Saturday's at Twickenham that much more enjoyable, but before the campaign, England were supposed to be really good. Isn't there a case for saying that Wales made them look ordinary by outplaying them?
 
Maybe. There's the danger of talking down opponents when you beat them rather than talking yourself up, though. Before the start of the 6N this year, I was reading about England's opening match being effectively a GS decider, while bigging up England's chances at the WC already. It's that kind of thing that makes results like Saturday's at Twickenham that much more enjoyable, but before the campaign, England were supposed to be really good. Isn't there a case for saying that Wales made them look ordinary by outplaying them?

No, that's true but I always expected Wales v England to be the GS decider and thought the media made things very difficult for Ireland by talking up their chances so much. What I didn't expect was for England to meltdown at Twickenham like that against Scotland - that was a real surprise to me. I suppose what I mean is that the All Blacks are the only team I would be seriously worried about Wales playing.

Hilariously, England and Ireland still have shorter odds for next years Six Nations and especially the World Cup than Wales! That's fine - I don't think the hype helps England and Ireland especially don't seem able to cope with it, Wales will continue to fly under the radar a bit and consequently will play under much less pressure.
 
Six Nations 2019: Eddie Jones seeks help to fix England's mental weakness - Six Nations 2019: Eddie Jones seeks help to fix England's mental weakness

This is fucking hysterical. So apparently the mental weakness they are showing is from their 2015 exit from the world Cup. And it's always been there. Even when they won 18 games on the bounce. So now it needs dealing with so thankfully it's showing itself so it can be dealt with according to Eddie Jones.

So Eddie has a PhD in 'Making it fucking up as I go along' [emoji23]

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I have to admit that the highlights DVD for this campaign will lack the sparkle of the '05 one or the '12 one with Shane in his pomp. For me, though, the sheer physicality we brought to collisions and our absolute dominance of the gainline were things in their own way that are just as beautiful as dancing feet and well-worked tries. Seeing attacks dismantled by the drifting blitz, Gareth Davies haring up like an exocet in the faces of opposition outside halves and their carriers smashed behind the gainline again and again are things of rare beauty. It's still rugby at its best, it's just a different kind of appreciation.
Absolutely. You can only beat what's in front of you. And at no point did Ireland look like they'd break our defence down at any stage. As Edwards says "attacking rugby sells tickets and defence rugby wins games" and I frankly don't care how we win. As long as we win

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Six Nations 2019: Eddie Jones seeks help to fix England's mental weakness - Six Nations 2019: Eddie Jones seeks help to fix England's mental weakness

This is fucking hysterical. So apparently the mental weakness they are showing is from their 2015 exit from the world Cup. And it's always been there. Even when they won 18 games on the bounce. So now it needs dealing with so thankfully it's showing itself so it can be dealt with according to Eddie Jones.

So Eddie has a PhD in 'Making it fucking up as I go along' [emoji23]

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The key thing is that none of it is the fault of the coach. :rolleyes:
 
Nastiest little prick in rugby in my humble and completely unbiased opinion.
Oh I agree. He brings out the worse anti English rugby sentiments in me without doubt. He also has the type of face that makes me want to stamp on it several times.

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Interesting comment from one of the commentators at half time in the Wales game. Said that AWJ is arguably the best player Wales has ever produced but never received the credit he deserves because unlike, say Warburton, he’s not a good looking, good talking pretty boy.
 
Interesting comment from one of the commentators at half time in the Wales game. Said that AWJ is arguably the best player Wales has ever produced but never received the credit he deserves because unlike, say Warburton, he’s not a good looking, good talking pretty boy.

Warburton one of Wales' most overrated players IMO. Everyone complains about when he was sent off in World Cup but it was a bad, dangerous tackle and ref was right to send him off.
 
Warburton one of Wales' most overrated players IMO. Everyone complains about when he was sent off in World Cup but it was a bad, dangerous tackle and ref was right to send him off.
I was screaming at the ref at the time. Think I posted something or other on here. :D :facepalm: But you're right. It was a straight red. Was galling cos it was so bloody early.
 
Just watching the highlights of England v Scotland back to check I wasn't just drunk. I was right. England don't seem to be able to tackle at all.

No disrespect at all to Sam Johnson here, but this just shouldn't happen in international rugby.

 
Warburton one of Wales' most overrated players IMO. Everyone complains about when he was sent off in World Cup but it was a bad, dangerous tackle and ref was right to send him off.
Warburton was a world class 7 and at the time of retirement was peerless, and I include SOB, Tipuric and Hooper among his competition. I really can't believe that there's still a significant rump of rugby followers who don't get what he brought to the teams he played in

Perhaps you should watch the recent documentary about him in order to help evolve your thinking about what he brought to a game. Some of the best players and coaches of the modern era couldn't praise him enough. He's very deservedly a rugby legend.

E2A: or watch this
 
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I was screaming at the ref at the time. Think I posted something or other on here. :D :facepalm: But you're right. It was a straight red. Was galling cos it was so bloody early.
It was a tip tackle. An accidental/heat of the moment one but as blatant a tip as you can get. Warburton was unlucky insomuch as other players had got away with identical tackles in the same tournament, the IRB had been stung by the criticism of refs' lax attitude towards an aspect of dangerous play and had issued guidance to refs just days before stating that they had to show a red. Sam's sending off was as a result.
 
Warburton was a world class 7 and at the time of retirement was peerless, and I include SOB, Tipuric and Hooper among his competition. I really can't believe that there's still a significant rump of rugby followers who don't get what he brought to the teams he played in

Perhaps you should watch the recent documentary about him in order to help evolve your thinking about what he brought to a game. Some of the best players and coaches of the modern era couldn't praise him enough. He's very deservedly a rugby legend.

E2A: or watch this

I'm not saying he wasn't a great player I was just sometimes surprised about how regularly he started given other great options at flanker. To me he never justified the consistent selection - but then I suppose the qualities of a captain on the rugby pitch aren't always as obvious from afar.
 
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