The 2017 General Election campaign
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They can't help themselves over this stuff, it comes out anyway
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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Kind of what I meant - even if they thought it wouldn't be helpful, out it would come all the same
Banned from the city for being even too crooked for them to bear I believe. That takes some doing. Something about apples falling close to trees.
Indeed, along with dementia tax, removing free school meals and all the other pieces of "fuck you, we're going to win and there's nothing you can do about it" to the country
J Ed
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Kabbes do you think there has been an overall change in how people are thinking about Labour?
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Cid
Proper break this time
That's... weird. Maybot.
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Do you want a cup of tea Theresa?
- Well, I've been very clear that.....
Yeah, but do you want a cup of tea?
- The important thing to say is that people will be faced with a clear choice...
So, you don't want to a cup of tea?
- The real question here is whether Jeremy Corbyn's IRA membership...
Oh fuck it, I'm turning the kettle off
Thinking aloud here but I wonder if the tories decision to make it all about Brexit has backfired a bit as well. Its become clear that the lib dems are bombing and Farron's strategy on focusing on the 48% has been a disaster. UKIP have fallen off the map and May is still gravely banging on about the negotiations like its going to be trench warfare.
It seems to me that most people have moved on now. A few headbangers on both sides are still mad furious about it but everyone else is just getting on with their lives and trying to make the best of the situation. Corbyn has done well by focusing on these issues whilst May and her lot just look miserable and tired and offering nothing but grim foreboding.
Dunno, it just seems to be they have misread the mood of the country a bit.
It seems to me that most people have moved on now. A few headbangers on both sides are still mad furious about it but everyone else is just getting on with their lives and trying to make the best of the situation. Corbyn has done well by focusing on these issues whilst May and her lot just look miserable and tired and offering nothing but grim foreboding.
Dunno, it just seems to be they have misread the mood of the country a bit.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I agree with all that, though I suspect there's a residual importance for brexit and the coming negotiations. They will be playing it for all its worth this week, with variants on 'would you send corbyn to negotiate our future' and 'how could a rag tag coalition lead by corbyn ever negotiate our future'. But yes, certainly, if Lab and Con had started this campaign on an equal footing, Labour would be 5 points ahead now.
I have come to realise I have just as little idea on this as anybody else. In fact less so, because the City and leafy Surrey Hills are, much to my surprise, not particularly representative of the wider country.
Within my bubble though, definitely. Not so much that there will be a shock Labour win in true blue constituencies. But Corbyn was perceived as a total joke, whereas now he seems to have a grudging respect. The manifesto was a huge win. Nationalisation of the rail service is really popular even amongst the middle-aged Tory lifers. Anybody who has to sit in a Southern or SouthWestern train every day welcomes it. There is also a general view that utilities are natural state ventures, and this is largely as a result of seeing that our private providers are, basically, German and French state institutions. If they can do it, why can't we?
I also haven't heard any grumbles about corporation tax. The people I deal with professionally, who are the ones I talk to about such things, are used to dealing with tax rates across the world and they know that 26% is still pretty cheap, actually. I think there is a general shrug at that. You only get taxed on profits anyway, so it doesn't put up your gross expenses or anything. Nobody has sad anything about higher personal taxes at the top end, but they wouldn't because, you know, British. We don't talk about our income.
So the manifesto came across as thoughtful, reasonable and with a distinct vision. They might not vote for it (generally, they won't), but they weren't going to anyway, and at least they have respect for it.
Respect, I should add, that they did not have for Miliband's effort. He and his party remained a joke to the bitter end.
Now, how any of that translates into how Labour is viewed in the rest of the country -- well, that's what I come on Urban to find out.
Yeah, I was thinking that the other day. At the end of the day, nobody really cared about the EU before 2016 and, deep down, few really care now. When it was all anybody was talking about, it loomed large. But in a general election campaign, suddenly we all remember that things like income inequality, the NHS and education are actually what really matters.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I'm hearing bits of that too.
MightyTibberton
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On the basis that WHAT I SEE AND ONLY WHAT I SEE IS THE COMPLETE TRUTH OF ANY MATTER, I can tell that on the important signs-in-windows-and-gardens-that-I-see-on-my-walk measure, Cardiff Central will go to Labour over the Lib Dems by three votes to one! On the campaigning-teams-I-see-out-and-about it'll be a tie between Labour and Plaid. . .
Who knows.
It's a Labour/Lib Dem marginal. The impression I have is very limited and very personal. I think Jo Stevens is a good MP - she's replied properly to several clicktavist emails I've sent her. She left the Corbyn front bench over the Brexit vote, which is fine by me, and the constituency was pro-Remain, but, who knows. The Labour team who called on me seemed very positive and energetic and young. No other party has knocked on my door - though I do have a Labour poster up (for the first time in my life!) so that might be putting them off. The Lib-Dem leaflet was all about Jeremy's LENINIST HAT as far as I can see. Absolutely nothing from UKIP. I think it's close here, so I wonder if tactical voting from Greens and Plaid might play a part?
Anyway. I didn't expect things to be anything like this good.
Who knows.
It's a Labour/Lib Dem marginal. The impression I have is very limited and very personal. I think Jo Stevens is a good MP - she's replied properly to several clicktavist emails I've sent her. She left the Corbyn front bench over the Brexit vote, which is fine by me, and the constituency was pro-Remain, but, who knows. The Labour team who called on me seemed very positive and energetic and young. No other party has knocked on my door - though I do have a Labour poster up (for the first time in my life!) so that might be putting them off. The Lib-Dem leaflet was all about Jeremy's LENINIST HAT as far as I can see. Absolutely nothing from UKIP. I think it's close here, so I wonder if tactical voting from Greens and Plaid might play a part?
Anyway. I didn't expect things to be anything like this good.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
Even though the chances are for a tory win (narrow at least and don't want to jinx anything by mentioning the preferred alternative) the highlight of GE17 for me has been watching the metamorphosis of the tory campaign going from well-oiled strong and stable machine to weak and wobbly clown car 
not-bono-ever
meh
'Three minutes of nothing': Reporter reflects on PM encounter
filler, bollocks and shite, toss, nothingness and cock
I don't usually post links with a video watch requirement- as I have no attention span - but this is an utterly fucking wretched - how did this empty shell of a human being get to run the country ?
filler, bollocks and shite, toss, nothingness and cock
I don't usually post links with a video watch requirement- as I have no attention span - but this is an utterly fucking wretched - how did this empty shell of a human being get to run the country ?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Last night, for the first time, I actually started to think that Jezza can detrhone her.
She got caught out on the debate thing - so all the narrative was "she ducked the debate - too chickened out" "The lady is for turning - but she's not for turning up" was a bit of a zinger of soundbite/tweet.
Slightly unfair - as neither she not corbyn were supposed to be doing it - but some nifty political gamesmanship from labour there.
What made it worse was her response - she did not have a well rehearsed answer and she looked stressed and nervous when questioned by reporters - crap response, nervous laugh, gabbling her words, eyes looking for the nearest escape route. Cameron or Blair would have calmly batted it away and moved on. With Terresa - you sense that the press pack smell blood - she looks tired and very ill at ease.
She has made the election all about her - but she is losing the tories support everytime she appears on the TV. With Corbyn its the other way around.
She got caught out on the debate thing - so all the narrative was "she ducked the debate - too chickened out" "The lady is for turning - but she's not for turning up" was a bit of a zinger of soundbite/tweet.
Slightly unfair - as neither she not corbyn were supposed to be doing it - but some nifty political gamesmanship from labour there.
What made it worse was her response - she did not have a well rehearsed answer and she looked stressed and nervous when questioned by reporters - crap response, nervous laugh, gabbling her words, eyes looking for the nearest escape route. Cameron or Blair would have calmly batted it away and moved on. With Terresa - you sense that the press pack smell blood - she looks tired and very ill at ease.
She has made the election all about her - but she is losing the tories support everytime she appears on the TV. With Corbyn its the other way around.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
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Even though the chances are for a tory win (narrow at least and don't want to jinx anything by mentioning the preferred alternative) the highlight of GE17 for me has been watching the metamorphosis of the tory campaign going from well-oiled strong and stable machine to weak and wobbly clown car
It's been entertaining hasn't it. And even with a Tory win I think it's obvious that Theresa May is fucked, she's been exposed so badly.
Yeah me too. I had a surprising chat with my tribalist tory parents the other night. Grudging respect for what Labour under Corbyn are proposing and exasperation at the hopeless campaign by the Maybot. Not that it matters much as only death will stop them voting tory but there you go.
MightyTibberton
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She's very clear, isn't she?
Clearly.
Clearly.
MightyTibberton
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DON'T KILL YOUR PARENTS! IT'S NOT RIGHT!
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