The 2017 General Election campaign

[J Ed]

The audience was handpicked to be representative in some way, wasn't it? They all seemed like they were for Corbyn...

 

[Orang Utan]

In the golden age when the papers reported what people said?

fair point. i just think way too much attention is being paid to showmanship and being able to recall figures under pressure. it's too much dragon's den/the apprentice and interviewers taking pleasure in catching people out.

 

[JimW]

I dunno. I haven't watched tv news or politics shows for a long time. I prefer reading about what's going on than having to watch it through the filter of an entertainment show on telly.
I couldn't watch it without getting angry and annoyed, and therefore stop taking what is being said. Much better to read and take in at leisure.

The filter in paper journalism is going to be much less apparent though, and there have always been hustings debates.

 

[phillm]

Then he found Jesus and learned to dislike the gays.

oi - everybody knows Jesus was gay - as were most of his disciples and most of the male priests who came after.

 

[Orang Utan]

Fair enough. I also normally avoid such things for the same reason. Tonight I was curious to see Corbyn perform having realised I hadn't actually heard him speak about anything for about a year. He's not an impressive orator, not that that necessarily matters.

it does matter, but it shouldn't. i'm quite happy not knowing how people sound or look. i want to judge them on their politics not their style

 

[xenon]

5 pages of commentary on a tv entertainment show masquerading as politics. I think we were better off when it was just in the newspapers.

Sod off. I might as well try and enjoy some of this.

 

[treelover]

he was a thatcher-idolising tory as a teenager - doesn't strike me that he can have been particularly aware of the destruction she was wreaking on the town he lived in in that case...

Didn't know that, funny how people rethink things retrospectively, no way he could have been concerned about poverty then, etc, more like getting off with freshers when his band played.

 

[Orang Utan]

The filter in paper journalism is going to be much less apparent though, and there have always been hustings debates.

well, cos it's also been on the telly, i can also trust that the papers are accurately reporting what was said.

 

[Orang Utan]

Sod off. I might as well try and enjoy some of this.

fair enough, hat tip to you for being able to enjoy this shit

 

[phillm]

Sod off. I might as well try and enjoy some of this.

Urban strengths are on local issues , making friends , finding a plumber and fun - changing the world post by post - nah.

 

[Cid]

it does matter, but it shouldn't. i'm quite happy not knowing how people sound or look. i want to judge them on their politics not their style

Yeah, that side does disturb me. But it's a much wider culture of public-figureyness than just the TV debates.

 

[killer b]

The audience was handpicked to be representative in some way, wasn't it? They all seemed like they were for Corbyn...

they clapped for Corbyn, for various anti-cuts bits and for a few anti-immigration bits. noticably sitting on their hands when Rudd spoke.

 

[redsquirrel]

Well, I guess she could have said 'Hey Amber, so sorry to hear your news - no need to do that shitshow on wednesday night, I'll do it instead', and Amber said 'No Teresa, I must soldier on. You must get on with the important work of planning Brexit.'

If May wasn't going to turn up the Tories should have just stayed away altogether, then they could just have dismissed it as the losers show. But now she just looks like she's a coward.

 

[JimW]

they clapped for Corbyn, for various anti-cuts bits and for a few anti-immigration bits. noticably sitting on their hands when Rudd spoke.

And I think she was the only one they laughed at, not a good look.

 

[phillm]

 

[Cid]

There was a loud kipper or two.

 

[bemused]

they clapped for Corbyn, for various anti-cuts bits and for a few anti-immigration bits. noticably sitting on their hands when Rudd spoke.

I wouldn't confuse the cheering section with the wider audience. I do think the Tories would have learned from these TV debates and we'll be hearing much more cheering going forward. Making TV debates, even, more shit than they are now.

 

[xenon]

All this politics isn't doing much for me trying to cut down on mid week drinking.

 

[Cid]

I expect there was some genteel clapping, of the type heard when presenting the cruellest shit-end trophy at the annual hunt ball.

But without the view-halloas.

 

[Cid]

Also why the fuck is view-halloo spelled 'view-halloa'?

Oh... it's not always. Look, don't mind me, I'm distracted and rambling.

 

[rutabowa]

Noooo no no no no no no. Please god no. Don't let that be what it looks like.

 

[bemused]

I can see the coalition of chaos line coming back and Labour being tarred with the Greens, SNP and LibDem brexit stuff. They'll wheel out the recent hung parliament poll as a side dish.

 

[killer b]

Noooo no no no no no no. Please god no. Don't let that be what it looks like.

fraid so.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

I dunno. I haven't watched tv news or politics shows for a long time. I prefer reading about what's going on than having to watch it through the filter of an entertainment show on telly.
I couldn't watch it without getting angry and annoyed, and therefore stop taking what is being said. Much better to read and take in at leisure.

Good to see how they react under pressure and don't have time to invent bullshit. I know it must be horribly pressurised, but, hey, if you want to be PM, that's life. And it gives the likes of Lucas to really shine, as she deserves.

 

[xenon]

Far as the audience goes. Corbin does attract the whoopers. Your average Tory isn't going to get excitable over the Tory delivery. It doesn't mean that much. In fact I find all the whooping quite annoying myself. I am not an arch Corbin fan. But will be voting labour anyway. Let's not ignore the mirror version of that.

 

[DotCommunist]

I told you c-byn had swag but would anyone listen?

 

[DotCommunist]

5 pages of commentary on a tv entertainment show masquerading as politics. I think we were better off when it was just in the newspapers.

I didn't catch the TV debate tonight but I do like them. They are reliably awful and make people I dislike look bad. Is this the feeling eurovision song contest fans get? A sort of grubby pleasure at how shit it all is? perhaps it is.
Also mays no-show looks bad, hameron would have turned up

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Far as the audience goes. Corbin does attract the whoopers. Your average Tory isn't going to get excitable over the Tory delivery. It doesn't mean that much. In fact I find all the whooping quite annoying myself. I am not an arch Corbin fan. But will be voting labour anyway. Let's not ignore the mirror version of that.

And I'm not at all sure the tories will have been so unhappy about how the debate went, tbh. Rudd's job was to warn against Corbyn, hence getting her mention of Diane Abbott in - to remind people of her as well, and really not much else.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

I didn't catch the TV debate tonight but I do like them. They are reliably awful and make people I dislike look bad. Is this the feeling eurovision song contest fans get? A sort of grubby pleasure at how shit it all is? perhaps it is.
Also mays no-show looks bad, hameron would have turned up

Y'know, you can also sometimes be surprised by how good a candidate is 'live', in the same way you might be surprised by a live band. Try to look for the positive.

 

[Orang Utan]

I didn't catch the TV debate tonight but I do like them. They are reliably awful and make people I dislike look bad. Is this the feeling eurovision song contest fans get? A sort of grubby pleasure at how shit it all is? perhaps it is.
Also mays no-show looks bad, hameron would have turned up

i dunno, i can't even stand clips of them talking at their lecterns, earnestly beseeching 'the people'.