The 2017 General Election campaign

[chilango]

However family and friends is a different story. Polarised.

Wealthier & older people who may have voted Lib Dem or Labour in the past are all falling in line for May. Lib Dems and Corbyn both beyond the pale.

Younger & poorer all going Labour.

Real two party stuff. No middle ground any more.

 

[Cid]

However family and friends is a different story. Polarised.

Wealthier & older people who may have voted Lib Dem or Labour in the past are all falling in line for May. Lib Dems and Corbyn both beyond the pale.

Younger & poorer all going Labour.

Real two party stuff. No middle ground any more.

I think I still know a few lib demmers, although they may end up ticking labour in the booth. I doubt any of them would vote tory... They view the lib dems in light of the coalition, as that oh so effective check on the Tories. But I think the hilariously weak logic of that may be sinking in as the yellow bastards stagnate in the polls. Though we're purely on anecdote here.

I think more widely the Manchester attack throws out any predictions. Having said that I'll have a go anyway - weakness of May pre-attack can't be built on by labour, and May is able to avoid many of the awkward questions/situations she was getting herself into. Media can't/won't press her for using the attack as cover. At best (for Labour) that means polls freeze at whatever they were just prior to the attack. It's difficult to see any positive outcome for labour; their campaign has been interrupted (and it will be tricky getting it off the ground again) and Corbyn simply can't have the media coverage May has. As others have said May is perfectly capable of trotting out scripted speeches, and that will probably be enough to shore up her vote.

 

[Pickman's model]

However family and friends is a different story. Polarised.

Wealthier & older people who may have voted Lib Dem or Labour in the past are all falling in line for May. Lib Dems and Corbyn both beyond the pale.

Younger & poorer all going Labour.

Real two party stuff. No middle ground any more.

Bet you about 30% won't vote tho, maybe more. There's other ground.

 

[chilango]

Bet you about 30% won't vote tho, maybe more. There's other ground.

Hopefully that'll be the Tories. A couple of whom went on holiday in 2015 and forgot to sort out postal votes in time. Hopefully similar complacencies will strike the Tory voters I know this time around...

 

[billy_bob]

Hopefully that'll be the Tories. A couple of whom went on holiday in 2015 and forgot to sort out postal votes in time. Hopefully similar complacencies will strike the Tory voters I know this time around...

Low turnout generally favours (1) incumbents and (2) Tories, doesn't it?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The Trumps have taken a $100,000,000 kickback after selling the Saudis a fuckton of death machinery.

It's thus a pertinent question to ask if the tories or anyone else connected with our deals have made any side-gains out of working with Islamic extremists.

That's a question that won't be asked because our media is worse than fucking useless.

Ivanka Trump fund takes $100M from Saudi Arabia, UAE

 

[mikey mikey]

 

[chilango]

Low turnout generally favours (1) incumbents and (2) Tories, doesn't it?

things might change...

 

[billy_bob]

things might change...

Well I hope so too. But here, stick all these eggs in that basket you've got there, will you...

 

[chilango]

Well I hope so too. But here, stick all these eggs in that basket you've got there, will you...

I've only got one egg, and it's someone else's basket That's the problem....

 

[billy_bob]

I've only got one egg, and it's someone else's basket That's the problem....

Actually, I threw all mine at Laura Kuenssberg.

 

[gawkrodger]

Had my postal ballot arrive today

 

[treelover]

Ukip to resume election campaign after Manchester attack

Its a political stunt for a failing party, but I do think the GE campaign should be restarted by the end of the week, not least because one party is certainly benefiting from the stasis.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ukip to resume election campaign after Manchester attack

Its a political stunt for a failing party, but I do think the GE campaign should be restarted by the end of the week, not least because one party is certainly benefiting from the stasis.

that's an improvement

 

[treelover]

Corbyn says Labour will resume campaigning because terrorism must not 'derail our democratic process'
Jeremy Corbyn has said that Labour will resume campaigning later this week because terrorism must not “derail our democratic process”. He said:

The British people are united in their resolve that terrorism will not prevail. It will not prevent us going about our daily lives, or derail our democratic process. Resuming democratic debate and campaigning is an essential mark of the country’s determination to defend our democracy, and the unity that the terrorists have sought to attack.

Ah

 

[Weller]

Strong and Stable - 6 penny food on yer table

just wondering what was on the menu or what is likely to be

I think she can just about manage that soundbite

breakfasts is budgeted at just 6.8p per child per meal



The Conservatives are in meltdown after Theresa May is forced to make another embarrassing u-turn | The Canary

The Conservative Party has faced criticism for its uncosted manifesto. But even where costings are provided, doubt remains. Because findings have revealed that the proposal to end free school lunches and replace them with breakfasts is budgeted at just 6.8p per child per meal. And now the Conservatives have had to perform another major u-turn and backtrack from the figure. So it is now yet another manifesto pledge that is totally uncosted.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ah

But what do you think?

 

[Supine]

Local campaigning restarts tomorrow and national starts on Friday. Reported on BBC.

 

[Cid]

Guardian (citing education datalab think tank) are saying £170m for a 20% uptake on breakfasts.

Bearing in mind the government were hoping for £60m and (I think, just skimmed) 25%.

 

[Raheem]

Guardian (citing education datalab think tank) are saying £170m for a 20% uptake on breakfasts.

Bearing in mind the government were hoping for £60m and (I think, just skimmed) 25%.

I think the original plan was to give each student a slice of bread at hometime and set having toast for breakfast as homework.

 

[billy_bob]

I think the original plan was to give each student a slice of bread at hometime and set having toast for breakfast as homework.

Don't they have cake of their own at home?

 

[Raheem]

Don't they have cake of their own at home?

There probably wasn't time to do that sort of research.

 

[Smangus]

Free goose fat and brown paper in winter.

 

[William of Walworth]

Local campaigning restarts tomorrow and national starts on Friday. Reported on BBC.

Good, it should. A suitable pause was inevitable and completely understandable, but a week is enough. I'd have thought. I hope that doesn't sound too callous, but I'm with Corbyn on this.

 

[William of Walworth]

Having said that ...

I
I think more widely the Manchester attack throws out any predictions. Having said that I'll have a go anyway - weakness of May pre-attack can't be built on by labour, and May is able to avoid many of the awkward questions/situations she was getting herself into. Media can't/won't press her for using the attack as cover. At best (for Labour) that means polls freeze at whatever they were just prior to the attack. It's difficult to see any positive outcome for labour; their campaign has been interrupted (and it will be tricky getting it off the ground again) and Corbyn simply can't have the media coverage May has. As others have said May is perfectly capable of trotting out scripted speeches, and that will probably be enough to shore up her vote.

I think the above is almost overoptimistic. May will be much more immune to criticsm now .. and that's not only the medi's fault ... Labour will have to be very careful, because plenty of voters will think attacking her politically, even on bread and butter issues, would be in bad taste

Or am I wrong?

 

[magneze]

Having said that ...

I think the above is almost overoptimistic. May will be much more immune to criticsm now .. and that's not only the medi's fault ... Labour will have to be very careful, because plenty of voters will think attacking her politically, even on bread and butter issues, would be in bad taste

Or am I wrong?

Completely in my view. Pointing out the dementia tax shambles and the taking away food from children, fairly safe ground there. I'm sure there's more crap in the Tory manifesto too.

 

[William of Walworth]

Completely in my view. Pointing out the dementia tax shambles and the taking away food from children, fairly safe ground there. I'm sure there's more crap in the Tory manifesto too.

Hope you're right and I'm not ...

 

[Supine]

Having said that ...

I think the above is almost overoptimistic. May will be much more immune to criticsm now .. and that's not only the medi's fault ... Labour will have to be very careful, because plenty of voters will think attacking her politically, even on bread and butter issues, would be in bad taste

Or am I wrong?

Agreed. What corbyn needs to do in a time of national crisis is to show statesmanship, to give people confidence he can lead the country through bad situations.

This is his weak point unfortunately.

 

[magneze]

Hope you're right and I'm not ...

Labour can stay away from linking anything to the attacks (eg: police numbers). However, correct that might be, it's dangerous territory - Pensioners and kids are still getting screwed though - keep the pressure up on that aspect.

 

[William of Walworth]

Agreed. What corbyn needs to do in a time of national crisis is to show statesmanship, to give people confidence he can lead the country through bad situations.

This is his weak point unfortunately.

You say that,. but the statement quoted above (#1305) was surely pretty measured? And IMO the other statement he made after the attack was even better.

All that will be reported fairly in almost no media outlets at all though