The 2017 General Election campaign

[treelover]

Not really. It is interesting to note that there's SFA coverage of the the Leeds and Hebden bridge thing in the Indy, the Graun and the BBC but plenty of people are sharing it on fb.

e2a although one of the vids is the one from the BBC on here. Can anyone tell me if that's a regional BBC outlet?

Broadcast media finally began to show the rallies and the scale of them today.

 

[ruffneck23]

im loving Corbyn on the manifesto , he is smashing it

 

[bimble]

Interesting: Analysis of targeted facebook advertising campaigns so far shows that "Only two out of 14 ads heavily used by Labour on Facebook ... so far make any mention of Corbyn" whilst "The Conservatives appear convinced of Corbyn’s value in their own Facebook ads and attack him directly in 10 out of 10 of the ads sent from Conservative Central Office".
Conservatives launch online offensive against Corbyn

 

[mikey mikey]

Really - a 4000 crowd needs headlines?

Talk about strawman.

 

[not-bono-ever]

"And we will deliver rail electrification and expansion across the whole country, including Wales and the South West"

Corbynism is Socialist power + Electrification of the whole country. or something that Lenin once sad

 

[poului]

im loving Corbyn on the manifesto , he is smashing it

Yeah, there was nothing cringeworthy about his supporters booing any non-fawning question asked by the press.

 

[ruffneck23]

Yeah, there was nothing cringeworthy about his supporters booing any non-fawning question asked by the press.

did you not see him tell them to calm down then ?

 

[teqniq]

The Labour manifesto launch has been broadcast live everywhere. I'll leave the nitty gritty stuff to the experts but this made me smile, shades of the ghost of Farage perchance?

Ukip has given its initial response to the Labour manifesto – choosing to focus on the element connected to regenerating the pub industry.

A couple of paragraphs in the manifesto, in the section on local communities, calls for a national review of pubs “to examine the causes for their large-scale demise, as well as establishing a joint taskforce that will consider future sustainability”.

Ukip’s leader, Paul Nuttall, said the plans “demonstrate a complete lack of joined up thinking”. He said:

Whilst guaranteeing to list all pubs as assets of community value to help stop them being sold off to supermarket chains and the like is laudable, when combined with a refusal to rule out a rise in beer duty it is nothing but an empty gesture.

Protecting pubs from becoming supermarkets, while at the same time reinforcing the supermarkets’ ability to undercut pub prices is fantasy economics, and a cruel fantasy at that.

Priorities priorities eh?

 

[DotCommunist]

I'd vote labour if they brought back smoking in pubs

 

[DJWrongspeed]

I saw this glaring typo in one section the Labour Manifesto

1. Strengthen protections for women against unfair redundancy Ð because no one should be penalised for having children.

Ð <-how did this get here?

 

[butchersapron]

Vikings. They're coming.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I saw this glaring typo in one section the Labour Manifesto

1. Strengthen protections for women against unfair redundancy Ð because no one should be penalised for having children.

Ð <-how did this get here?

Supposed to be an en-dash.

It's like writing 'stop' instead of putting a '.' I would guess.

 

[chilango]

Vikings. They're coming.

Enforcing the nordic model of social democracy?

 

[butchersapron]

Enforcing the nordic model of social democracy?

And mingling.

Fuck the EU - we'll do it our own way.

 

[Mr Retro]

All the questions for Labour in interviews now are "what is the exact details of how much this manifesto will cost and how exactly will you pay for it?"

I don't really give a fuck about that. It's the sentiment I care about and I suspect most people care about?

 

[chilango]

And mingling.

Fuck the EU - we'll do it our own way.

Stop paying the Danegeld, mead for everyone

 

[teqniq]

Still repeating the mantra

 

[RainbowTown]

All the questions for Labour in interviews now are "what is the exact details of how much this manifesto will cost and how exactly will you pay for it?"

I don't really give a fuck about that. It's the sentiment I care about and I suspect most people care about?

Sentiment is all very fine and laudable, but sadly these policies and promises have to be paid for (yes, terrible I know) and I think such questions are on balance legitimate to ask. No matter what political party. However....because all such parties will lie through their teeth when discussing such matters, there's no real need to be that concerned. From the scummy Far Right to the hypocritical Far Left (and all poinst in between) one can always be assured Joe Public will be fleeced one way or t'other. It's the nature of the (political) beast.

 

[killer b]

Still repeating the mantra

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yeah, mantras only do their job if you repeat them. It's going to be the backdrop to everything for the next month.

 

[teqniq]

yeah, mantras only do their job if you repeat them. It's going to be the backdrop to everything for the next month.

True but it sounds fucking lame to me, still that would be because I am never going to vote for the vermin anyway.

 

[teqniq]

Heh.

 

[Mr Retro]

Sentiment is all very fine and laudable, but sadly these policies and promises have to be paid for (yes, terrible I know) and I think such questions are on balance legitimate to ask. No matter what political party. However....because all such parties will lie through their teeth when discussing such matters, there's no real need to be that concerned. From the scummy Far Right to the hypocritical Far Left (and all poinst in between) one can always be assured Joe Public will be fleeced one way or t'other. It's the nature of the (political) beast.

I agree fully. On the whole though I want somebody in place whose first concern is for the majority. Or the many not the few. A tag line I think is very effective.

 

[killer b]

I long for the day when we move on to some other shit phrase and fake news is in the dustbin.

 

[JTG]

Entirely unscientific strawpoll of mates on social media who have voted Labour since forever but were wobbling over JC seems to be along the lines of "Labour: fuck yeah" after that launch.

So, that's at least another half dozen votes in the bag then

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's an extremely moderate social democratic platform, taking slightly more money from the rich, addressing a little bit some of the most egregious parts of capitalism. A step up from Blair, no doubt, but hardly the revolutionary rhetoric of Jean-Luc Melenchon.

Wonder how the BBC/Graun will spin this as 'hard left'.

 

[Old Spark]

And a new railway line from London to Brighton -triffo biffo.

 

[billy_bob]

All the questions for Labour in interviews now are "what is the exact details of how much this manifesto will cost and how exactly will you pay for it?"

I don't really give a fuck about that. It's the sentiment I care about and I suspect most people care about?

Personally I do give something of a fuck about the costings, but I agree that a lot of people make their political decisions more on gut instinct (I say this from experience of political campaigning - not trying to patronise anyone), so you're probably right that sentiment matters more in a lot of cases.

However, one of the sentiments that (regardless of accuracy) often hangs around Labour is the idea that they're good on lots of nice-to-have social touchy-feely stuff but rubbish with the bottom line. So if they do put out proposals that sound great but that they have trouble defending in hard-nosed financial terms, it's more damaging than just being a bit hazy about the finer details at this stage: too many people will feel it confirms that they can't look after the economy.

 

[Raheem]

Wonder how the BBC/Graun will spin this as 'hard left'.

They're both focusing on tax rises.

 

[Brainaddict]

It's an extremely moderate social democratic platform, taking slightly more money from the rich, addressing a little bit some of the most egregious parts of capitalism. A step up from Blair, no doubt, but hardly the revolutionary rhetoric of Jean-Luc Melenchon.

Wonder how the BBC/Graun will spin this as 'hard left'.

Listening a few minutes ago to R4 they weren't using that term, though were referring to it as a return to heavy state intervention. But their main theme, repeated over and over is "But is it affordable?" They don't actually want to know the answer to that question, they just want to repeat "But is it affordable?". They know that the Tories often win on some bullshit idea of their economic 'competence' versus labour, so they don't have to actually say insulting things - it's just about raising economic competence doubts ad infinitum. I don't believe the journos don't know what they're doing either.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Personally I do give something of a fuck about the costings, but I agree that a lot of people make their political decisions more on gut instinct (I say this from experience of political campaigning - not trying to patronise anyone), so you're probably right that sentiment matters more in a lot of cases.

However, one of the sentiments that (regardless of accuracy) often hangs around Labour is the idea that they're good on lots of nice-to-have social touchy-feely stuff but rubbish with the bottom line. So if they do put out proposals that sound great but that they have trouble defending in hard-nosed financial terms, it's more damaging than just being a bit hazy about the finer details at this stage: too many people will feel it confirms that they can't look after the economy.

One of the things that really frustrate me, that. Now I don't necessarily think this is a good thing (there is a time for govt to borrow and borrow hard), but I would guess that it is a thing that most people won't know – Labour govts borrow less than tory ones.