The 2017 General Election campaign

[chilango]

Well yeah, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data" and all that

But I do feel a lot of my friends who have been very keen on Green/Lib Dem/TUSC in the past are piling into Labour this time. So are my anarcho lot. Call it what you want - pragmatism, desperation, fear... maybe even some of them believe in it all

Yeah. Another quote from the other night:

"I didn't know how I was going to vote, but they've left me no choice other than to vote Labour."

From a floating LibDem/Green/Labour voter talking about how the election is fast becoming a kind of "line in the sand" moment.

 

[JTG]

Yeah. Another quote from the other night:

"I didn't know how I was going to vote, but they've left me no choice other than to vote Labour."

From a floating LibDem/Green/Labour voter talking about how the election is fast becoming a kind of "line in the sand" moment.

Totally how I see it

Cards on table: have long had anarcho tendencies. If I've cast votes it's generally been for left of Labour candidates. This time - can't bear the thought of a Tory landslide and made my mind up long ago to vote Labour. So I'm one of those.

 

[redsquirrel]

I'm feeling more confident about Labour. They look like they have at least a fighting chance of kicking that evil cow in the face.

They aren't going to win, the question is what share of the vote they'll get and how that will inform the battle lines within the party post-GE,

 

[Dogsauce]

Read the article brogdale just linked to - it isnt a hit piece and says some kind things abour corbo. It also points out that they need to make up 30 points in the next month for a majority of 1.

They might not need an overall majority to form a government, there are other possibilities. SNP are likely to be in their column, for example.

Aside from that, like a few others on this thread I'm seeing friends pitching in for Labour that rarely get involved in politics, organising themselves on Facebook and out leafleting at the university to encourage voter registration for example. I think Labour will have a lot of people on the ground, but I'm not sure whether it will be enough to counter the hostile crap pushed by newspapers or targeted Facebook stuff.

 

[bimble]

Millionaire backer of Vote Leave is offering to fund the campaigns of all the Tory candidates who are contesting labour constituencies where majority of residents voted leave.
Millionaire Brexit donor targets 140 remain MPs in general election
"He said that he was prepared to spend heavily in order to secure “the sovereign future of this independent-minded democracy”.

Here he is openly inviting tory candidates to click on a button and receive £5,000
http://brexitexpress.co.uk/candidates/


Meanwhile, in a clever bit of rebranding:

 

[Who PhD]

They aren't going to win, the question is what share of the vote they'll get and how that will inform the battle lines within the party post-GE,

Very possibly, but that's not a certainty.

 

[rekil]

Telly on.

Liz Kershaw using a sausages analogy to argue against taxing the rich.

Liz Kershaw says "UK plc".

Telly off.

 

[Sprocket.]

Just seen the confirmed list for Doncaster Central. UKIP not standing this time, if all those who voted UKIP in 2015 decide to vote Conservative, Rosie Winterton may be struggling to retain the seat she has held for twenty years. The total of tory and kipper votes left them only 1,707 behind, Dame Rosie might be pleased to receive the 421 TUSC votes this year.

 

[roryer]

Protect the poor, work for equity, work with our partners in Europe to limit immigration and alleviate the effects on local communities.

Remain (another vote) - Vote Labour?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Telly on.

Liz Kershaw using a sausages analogy to argue against taxing the rich.

Liz Kershaw says "UK plc".

Telly off.

Liz Kershaw?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I think there is actually a prospect of a Labour win, based on what I was saying a page or so ago; their current campaign, amazingly, is just the sort of thing which could disrupt the very vulnerable Tory one. I'm really surprised to say it but I think it's not unimaginable.

I'm still sceptical that they can overcome the big boosts the Tories got from their last round of gerrymandering and especially, from absorbing all the UKIP (and BNP et al) voters though, to say nothing of all the dirty money and dirty tricks that'll be in play.

I'm still going to vote for 'Mad Frankie' Field for what that's worth, and agit-prop against the vermin and those they represent is never a waste of effort.

 

[rekil]

Liz Kershaw?

She was on Sky news, having another go at trying to make this infantile cobblers work.

Spoiler: sausages

 

[killer b]

this on Marr today was funny.

 

[JTG]

this on Marr today was funny.

I think Labour generally have just gone "fuck it" and decided to go down all guns blazing. Kind of enjoying it tbh

 

[FiFi]

I think Labour generally have just gone "fuck it" and decided to go down all guns blazing. Kind of enjoying it tbh

It's what they should have been doing years ago!
As for Emily Thornberry, she just went up in my estimation this morning.

 

[redsquirrel]

The last few days have definitely been the best for Labour for some time.

 

[Wilf]

The last few days have definitely been the best for Labour for some time.

I think their good spell is defined by how far behind they have been for so long. They've come up with a number of positive policies, policies that would benefit most people. The job is, obviously, to get those policies out there, to get people to the point where they know what Labour stand for. For 2 years the story has been Labour are clueless/divided and just about nothing else. Now they've set out some explicit public sector policies it's probably a kind of honeymoon period - just getting them out there is positive.

I would imagine the next stage will be the Tories putting everything into 'wild eyed Jeremy Corbyn's 70s tribute act will cost every single hard working family £3,000 a year', 'figures produced by a respected economist show that...', 'Labour would raid your pension pot...', you know the story. However I think Labour's policies have to actually get somewhere in terms of poll and approval ratings before this counter attack kicks in. Labour are seen as a 'sub-threat' at the moment, but the Tory counter attack will no doubt be primed and ready to roll.

 

[JTG]

I think their good spell is defined by how far behind they have been for so long. They've come up with a number of positive policies, policies that would benefit most people. The job is, obviously, to get those policies out there, to get people to the point where they know what Labour stand for. For 2 years the story has been Labour are clueless/divided and just about nothing else. Now they've set out some explicit public sector policies it's probably a kind of honeymoon period - just getting them out there is positive.

I would imagine the next stage will be the Tories putting everything into 'wild eyed Jeremy Corbyn's 70s tribute act will cost every single hard working family £3,000 a year', 'figures produced by a respected economist show that...', 'Labour would raid your pension pot...', you know the story. However I think Labour's policies have to actually get somewhere in terms of poll and approval ratings before this counter attack kicks in. Labour are seen as a 'sub-threat' at the moment, but the Tory counter attack will no doubt be primed and ready to roll.

I imagine this counter attack would largely serve to shore up the existing Tory vote ie that Labour's apparent 30-34% in the polls consists of people who only needed a little persuading to go back.

The next bit is gonna be a hell of a lot harder for them

 

[Who PhD]

Millionaire backer of Vote Leave is offering to fund the campaigns of all the Tory candidates who are contesting labour constituencies where majority of residents voted leave.
Millionaire Brexit donor targets 140 remain MPs in general election
"He said that he was prepared to spend heavily in order to secure “the sovereign future of this independent-minded democracy”.

Here he is openly inviting tory candidates to click on a button and receive £5,000
http://brexitexpress.co.uk/candidates/


Meanwhile, in a clever bit of rebranding:
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I'd like to think that sort of shit is illegal.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

She was on Sky news, having another go at trying to make this infantile cobblers work.

Spoiler: sausages

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Oh right. I thought she was just a DJ, I didn't realise she had a sideline going on Sky to talk bollocks.

 

[bi0boy]

"bought these pork sausages from morrisons were well of a price 3 for £10 put a full batch on the grill because we had family over for night and smelled good! everyone was impressed of the way it come out of the grill so as soon as everyone took a bite they were complaining about bone in they sausage I opened my and there was bone was very disappointed threw all the packs away and order take out it was very much better"

 

[agricola]

I think their good spell is defined by how far behind they have been for so long. They've come up with a number of positive policies, policies that would benefit most people. The job is, obviously, to get those policies out there, to get people to the point where they know what Labour stand for. For 2 years the story has been Labour are clueless/divided and just about nothing else. Now they've set out some explicit public sector policies it's probably a kind of honeymoon period - just getting them out there is positive.

I would imagine the next stage will be the Tories putting everything into 'wild eyed Jeremy Corbyn's 70s tribute act will cost every single hard working family £3,000 a year', 'figures produced by a respected economist show that...', 'Labour would raid your pension pot...', you know the story. However I think Labour's policies have to actually get somewhere in terms of poll and approval ratings before this counter attack kicks in. Labour are seen as a 'sub-threat' at the moment, but the Tory counter attack will no doubt be primed and ready to roll.

No doubt - but the advantage they have there is that the Tories have actually raided people's pension pots, and have actually cost every single hard working family thousands. I'd hope that now their policies are out there, they spend half the time promoting them, and the other half pointing out what is likely to happen soon, whose heads it is going to fall on, and who is likely to walk away unharmed because she called an election.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ah come on. Violent fantasies using misogynist language about female politicians and he's keen on Doctor Who. It's nailed on mate

The prog rock, too.

But no mention of playing bass yet, I do believe.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think there is actually a prospect of a Labour win, based on what I was saying a page or so ago; their current campaign, amazingly, is just the sort of thing which could disrupt the very vulnerable Tory one. I'm really surprised to say it but I think it's not unimaginable.

As you say, there's a prospect. It'd mean a massively-mobilised youth vote on top of a wing and a prayer, but it's plausible given just how fragile both the Tory campaign and May herself as a "worthy" Prime Minister are. I'd love to see the Tories humbled, defeated even though they had around 85% of print and broadcast media standing behind them and - in many cases - actively propagandising for them. I'd love it for, apart from anything else, teaching people that once in a generation lesson that if you stand up for what you want, sometimes you get it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think it's time for Corbyn to start running on a platform of imprisoning Blair and May

Or at least consulting the CPS as to the possibility of charges (while giving a nod and wink to the international courts).

 

[bi0boy]

I think their good spell is defined by how far behind they have been for so long. They've come up with a number of positive policies, policies that would benefit most people. The job is, obviously, to get those policies out there, to get people to the point where they know what Labour stand for. For 2 years the story has been Labour are clueless/divided and just about nothing else. Now they've set out some explicit public sector policies it's probably a kind of honeymoon period - just getting them out there is positive.

That won't be good enough - it's exactly what Ed Milliband did, chuck out a few policies most people would agree with, but the result was worse than the polls predicted. Labour need a mantra to counter the 'strong and stable', and 'rigged system' isn't it

 

[ViolentPanda]

Can't wait to sell rich people's stuff at the bingo

"Legs Eleven, one of Roman Abramovich's Porsche Cayennes. What am I bid?"

 

[treelover]

Overheard in pub last night: lots of young people who are going to be enthusiastically 'voting for Jeremy' , in Lambeth.

But will they actually vote?, I am not sure going by past experience.

 

[treelover]

They might not need an overall majority to form a government, there are other possibilities. SNP are likely to be in their column, for example.

Aside from that, like a few others on this thread I'm seeing friends pitching in for Labour that rarely get involved in politics, organising themselves on Facebook and out leafleting at the university to encourage voter registration for example. I think Labour will have a lot of people on the ground, but I'm not sure whether it will be enough to counter the hostile crap pushed by newspapers or targeted Facebook stuff.

Millionaire backer of Vote Leave is offering to fund the campaigns of all the Tory candidates who are contesting labour constituencies where majority of residents voted leave.
Millionaire Brexit donor targets 140 remain MPs in general election
"He said that he was prepared to spend heavily in order to secure “the sovereign future of this independent-minded democracy”.

Here he is openly inviting tory candidates to click on a button and receive £5,000
http://brexitexpress.co.uk/candidates/


Meanwhile, in a clever bit of rebranding:
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But what about the many many thousands of blue collar voters who usually vote labour but now say they will vote Tory?

 

[treelover]

this on Marr today was funny.

She is superb there, very calm and collected, maybe with the pressure off from Progress(for now) they are a bit more relaxed.