The 2017 General Election campaign

[ViolentPanda]

So he's not a socialist?

That's right, he's not a socialist. Accusing him of being a member of the SSP, or one of their fellow-travellers is immensely funny.

 

[DexterTCN]

ViolentPanda
What's this?

I want independence as means to an end. I'm a socialist. I think in the past you claim to have read James Connolly. (I may have misremembered this: if so, apologies). I suggest you re-read him.

"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain." - James Connolly.

I was brought up in a household where John MacLean and James Connolly's names were bandied about with reverence almost daily in political discourse, by my Dad and uncles in their discussions, over dinner, in after pub carry out parties, and so on. My pro independence sentiment is as old as my socialism. ....

 

[Mr.Bishie]

So he's not a socialist?

lol

 

[ViolentPanda]

I consider anarchism to be a subset of socialism.

Personally, I'd say of communism (but not Communism, iyswim).

 

[ViolentPanda]

lol

You just know that Dexter is now scrutinising dlr's posts, looking for something that shows him claiming to be a socialist.

 

[danny la rouge]

Personally, I'd say of communism (but not Communism, iyswim).

Works for me. I describe my position as anarchist communist, but I'm not that fussed by the labels.

My comrades would be anarchists, left communists, council communists, operaismists, and so on.

 

[danny la rouge]

ViolentPanda
What's this?

A post by me.

HTH

 

[ViolentPanda]

ViolentPanda
What's this?

Oh look, Dexter shows he doesn't understand the difference between socialism, and being a member of a socialist party.

 

[danny la rouge]

Hey, DexterTCN Urban 2017 GE exit poll

"My daughter, my sister, my daughter, my sister ..."

 

[ViolentPanda]

You just know that Dexter is now scrutinising dlr's posts, looking for something that shows him claiming to be a socialist.

Takes a bow at my own prophecy coming true.

 

[Wilf]

I'm going to go and vote after work. I haven't gone all Anarchists for Corbyn or anything, but it's a bit of a psychological act really (I haven't been doing anything political for a while, so in that vacuum voting seems like the only thing left). We've also been struggling to get my Dad a vote in his care home - just about managed it on time - so I'd feel pretty low not doing it myself, again, without abandoning my basic idea that it's blind alley and there's no real future with the Labour Party. Just hope there's a bit of energy after the election to go and start building something with regard to class politics, however defined.

This is probably the wrong thread, but I hope people who joined the Labour Party reassess how much of a priority Labour Party activity should be. Things could go in several directions in terms of the constitution or battles over reselection - it might even emerge 'more Corbynite' in 18 months. Wouldn't dream of telling people whether they should stay or leave Labour, but if anything the last 18 months have illustrated the problems of trying to rebuild social democracy. Much better to oppose capitalism directly and actively. Anyway, I'll stop there, sounding preachy. Whole thing is depressing.

 

[8den]

 

[J Ed]

christ

 

[free spirit]

According to my facebook timeline everyone is voting, and 95% are voting corbyn, with about 5% Green. And every other post is someone pleading with everyone else to get out there and vote, so hopefully that message at least is sinking in.

Had a bit of a dilemma in the polling booth, but think I ended up doing the right thing and following the logic of my campaigning through to it's slightly odd conclusion. Basically get the lib dems out if they're not going to be part of the solution they're part of the problem, so tactical voting it is.

 

[Orang Utan]

According to my facebook timeline everyone is voting, and 95% are voting corbyn, with about 5% Green. And every other post is someone pleading with everyone else to get out there and vote, so hopefully that message at least is sinking in.

Had a bit of a dilemma in the polling booth, but think I ended up doing the right thing and following the logic of my campaigning through to it's slightly odd conclusion. Basically get the lib dems out if they're not going to be part of the solution they're part of the problem, so tactical voting it is.

Haven't you been campaigning for the Greens?

 

[butchersapron]

I'm going to go and vote after work. I haven't gone all Anarchists for Corbyn or anything, but it's a bit of a psychological act really (I haven't been doing anything political for a while, so in that vacuum voting seems like the only thing left). We've also been struggling to get my Dad a vote in his care home - just about managed it on time - so I'd feel pretty low not doing it myself, again, without abandoning my basic idea that it's blind alley and there's no real future with the Labour Party. Just hope there's a bit of energy after the election to go and start building something with regard to class politics, however defined.

This is probably the wrong thread, but I hope people who joined the Labour Party reassess how much of a priority Labour Party activity should be. Things could go in several directions in terms of the constitution or battles over reselection - it might even emerge 'more Corbynite' in 18 months. Wouldn't dream of telling people whether they should stay or leave Labour, but if anything the last 18 months have illustrated the problems of trying to rebuild social democracy. Much better to oppose capitalism directly and actively. Anyway, I'll stop there, sounding preachy. Whole thing is depressing.

Thanks for writing this post. I've given up being the other face of doom/hope on here. No matter what - something is in the air and we better make the most of it.

 

[Lucy Fur]

 

[ruffneck23]

christ

Jeeze what bunch of fuckers

 

[chilango]

Thanks for writing this post. I've given up being the other face of doom/hope on here. No matter what - something is in the air and we better make the most of it.

It'd be nice to have more conversations IRL about how best to build good stuff as opposed to stopping bad stuff, that's for sure.

 

[eoin_k]

It's a spoof right? The Sun isn't actually advocating acid trips for teenagers, even for a laugh.

 

[Orang Utan]

christ

that's not real, is it?

 

[butchersapron]

It'd be nice to have more conversations IRL about how best to build good stuff as opposed to stopping bad stuff, that's for sure.

With my mum?

 

[killer b]

We haven't heard enough from your mum lately, I'm glad she's back on the scene.

 

[J Ed]

that's not real, is it?

It's real.

 

[Orang Utan]

It's real.

Hmm, I guess they can get away with it as it's presented as a humorous piece

 

[eoin_k]

Perhaps, Chris Morris got a job with News Corp.

 

[LDC]

It'd be nice to have more conversations IRL about how best to build good stuff as opposed to stopping bad stuff, that's for sure.

Obviously not irl, but been meaning to start a thread about what are people going to do post-election for political organising, and whether this whole process has changed what they'll do or not.

My position (not my politics) on what to do has slowly been shifting for a bit, and last year it solidified, and I'm pretty sure what I'm going to work on for the next period of time. (Just need to find people to work with now...).

One of the only things I'm excited about re: this election is that there does seem to be a shift in politics somewhat, here's hoping we can come out of it stronger in the coming years whatever the result tomorrow.

 

[butchersapron]

We haven't heard enough from your mum lately, I'm glad she's back on the scene.

She's not enthused, it's boring labour though. Thinks corbyn is a joke. Voting in a dead town where tories win forever. Not a sort of place where labour could ever win. There's a hard 10% always labour, forever, it shows in the local elections as well - loads of places down here like that.

Anyway, As a motivating thing, corbyn didn't reach her - didn't need to.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

From the Graun...

You’re probably thinking to yourself (or perhaps not) what is the former Ukip leader Nigel Farage doing today, now that he’s not standing for parliament? Well, the renowned anti-elitist public-educated former city broker is at the Global Investment Forum, sponsored by a Swiss banking group and global private equity boutique.

Who knew...

 

[chilango]

With my mum?

You might be better placed to do that...