SWP expulsions and squabbles
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
foreward by cmrd Delta?
comrade spurski
Well-Known Member
Wonder if there's a chapter on how to fight employers who do not take sexual harassment seriously.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Interesting accusations & confessions against RS21 supporter Annie Teriba.
Last time I saw her involved in political activity she was chairing and basically running the show of Rhodes Must Fall seminar. There must have been close to 300 people squashed into a basement lecture theatre. At the end it was more like a black Pentecostal church service with all the chanting singing and oaths.Is this a sign of ultra politically correct intersectionalists turning in on themselves or victims of heinous sexual assault and even rape gaining some some sort of justice and reconciliation.
'Sexually entitled' campaigner admits having sex without woman's consent
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Could be, but to me it reads more like the confession of any number of Hollywood celebrities.If I were a cynical cove I might propose a sweepstake on how long before Ms Teriba's re-education is complete and she emerges from her self imposed chrysalis.
However, I'm not that twisted. So I'll assume she's sincere and that she placed herself at the centre of the narrative to avoid further causing distress to her victims.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
I'm inclined to believe that this is a complete load of bollox and that a lot is going on behind the scenes with this issue regarding Annie !
ISN(before becoming defunct) & RS21 appear to be and are becoming a Nemesis rather than any rectification of the SWP and that tradition of 'Revolutionary' Socialism.
I was astonished at how quickly ISN tore itself apart. RS21 seems to me to have a future as a valuable section of the left. But that's only judging from their online presence - I don't have any personal contacts.
I can't imagine what might be "going on behind the scenes." Though I can imagine why the usual Twitterers aren't expressing their outrage - at NUS conference, in the safe space, twice, ffs!
I can't imagine what might be "going on behind the scenes." Though I can imagine why the usual Twitterers aren't expressing their outrage - at NUS conference, in the safe space, twice, ffs!
Lilith Morris
Member
And the ISN too Guest post: ‘What’s he done now?’ Abuse in the IS Network!
That is bad. So bad I can't "like" your post, but thank you for posting the link.
If true*, then it's extraordinary that in it's short life the ISN managed to exceed the many failings of the SWP in this regard.
* I'm not saying it's not true, just that the internet gives no way of judging if these things are real or made up. I tend to be wary of accounts that fit too neatly into a set of prejudices.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I realise that as an SWP member, you must do your best to pretend you're not in the most hated organisation on the left, but even you must know that above sentence is moronic drivel. The issue in the SWP was how you pretended that there was nothing to investigate, that Smith was a naughty hero, and that it was okay to ask a rape victim 'But you like s drink, dont you?' and generally did your utmost to cover up the appalling abuse. If every word in the above statements is true, they are a long way shy of amounting to anything like the same thing as the disgrace of the SWP. You're still a member aren't you? Coming back here to try to shitstir and cover for your own groups continued failings.
And you have no skin in this game?
Maybe instead of confabulating stories about the SWP you can use the example of the ISN to show how such complaints should be handled.
I didn't post the link or defame ISN and RS21, if you're looking for a shitstirrer get a mirror.
Maybe instead of confabulating stories about the SWP you can use the example of the ISN to show how such complaints should be handled.
I didn't post the link or defame ISN and RS21, if you're looking for a shitstirrer get a mirror.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it's not 'a game'
hard for a defunct organisation to deal with issues that were never brought up when it existed.
bullshit. You wrote "in it's short life the ISN managed to exceed the many failings of the SWP in this regard" - which is a statement of such astounding lack of truth, and utter dishonesty as to beggar belief. Your group took part in a cover up, and most of the leading figures in that cover up are still leading figures in your, ageing, shrinking, group.
Nope, it's 'a metaphor' durh!
So let me see if I've got this right - a woman was repeatedly raped by a leading member of the ISN and, because of the levels of abuse she received on another complaint, was unable to raise the rape issue 'in time.' So no problems there then.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
That is not what the complaint said. It explicitly said the sex was consensual. That you are trying to twist her words to suit your own vile argument just shows how low you are happy to sink. You have learnt nothing.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
The most telling bit of your post is what's missing; i.e. any response to belboid's last point. But don't worry, just keep the faith and keep selling the paper.
Louis MacNeice
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Where has repeatedly raped come from? She says there was only one incident of sexual assault?
To quote:
"Tim pressured me into having sexual relations with him, which he should have realised I didn’t want, because I repeatedly made that clear to him."
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
"This was the only time sexual relations with him felt like sexual assault so I confided in a friend not very long after the incident and she advised me that consent boundaries were crossed."
My emphasis.
You are a liar, Trappist, and are behaving disgustingly in trying to use this case to justify your own inaction over Delta and his fans still controlling your sect. Utterly vile behaviour on your part.
My emphasis.
You are a liar, Trappist, and are behaving disgustingly in trying to use this case to justify your own inaction over Delta and his fans still controlling your sect. Utterly vile behaviour on your part.
Fair comment, I misread the statement there. However, the point remains that she was not empowered by the ISN to bring a complaint.
As to my own "inaction" - I was a member of the IDOOP faction. What about declaring your own organisation/position?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I was a member of the ISN before leaving to join RS21
There has never been any doubt that the ISN was a dysfunctional organisation that lacked proper and appropriate structures to do anything, especially as regards behaviour on Facebook. The failure to look into the complaint properly was a serious and significant failing, and the ISN completely failed to put its supposed politics into practise. No one would deny that. In slight mitigation, the original complaint was over bullying, rather than sexual violence, which would have been investigated more fully, and ongoing complaints were not fully investigated as the group was protractedly winding itself up.
Tim would not be allowed to join RS21 even if he wanted to - which as a Green Party member, he probably wouldn't anyway. Nor would Annie be allowed to rejoin. In that case, the survivor has made it known they have no wish for any RS21 involvement, having taken the matter up with groups that actually exist where they both live. Both issues have led to RS21 ensuring that better procedures are in place should they be required. Whereas in the SWP....
There has never been any doubt that the ISN was a dysfunctional organisation that lacked proper and appropriate structures to do anything, especially as regards behaviour on Facebook. The failure to look into the complaint properly was a serious and significant failing, and the ISN completely failed to put its supposed politics into practise. No one would deny that. In slight mitigation, the original complaint was over bullying, rather than sexual violence, which would have been investigated more fully, and ongoing complaints were not fully investigated as the group was protractedly winding itself up.
Tim would not be allowed to join RS21 even if he wanted to - which as a Green Party member, he probably wouldn't anyway. Nor would Annie be allowed to rejoin. In that case, the survivor has made it known they have no wish for any RS21 involvement, having taken the matter up with groups that actually exist where they both live. Both issues have led to RS21 ensuring that better procedures are in place should they be required. Whereas in the SWP....
...the whole Martin Smith affair led the SWP to review and revise its internal disciplinary procedures. This was done openly, opinions were solicited and the drafts published for comment and amendment. It was discussed, amended and carried at the December 2013 conference and then published. I do not recall the RS21 comrades opposing the new procedure or offering substantial amendments.
I for one would be interested to know what changes RS21 made to their procedures in light of the Nelson and Teriba cases.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Dont know, dont care.
You are pathetically trying to avoid the main issue - which was that your organisation failed completely and utterly to investigate sexual abuse within your organisation, then covered it up, and have happily left those who did the cover up in place. IDOOP - you - lost the argument within the party. Anyone staying in after that is a sad and unprincipled specimen.
The only reason there wont be a repeat is that it is mindbogglingly unlikely that any young woman would join your rump sect ever again.
You are pathetically trying to avoid the main issue - which was that your organisation failed completely and utterly to investigate sexual abuse within your organisation, then covered it up, and have happily left those who did the cover up in place. IDOOP - you - lost the argument within the party. Anyone staying in after that is a sad and unprincipled specimen.
The only reason there wont be a repeat is that it is mindbogglingly unlikely that any young woman would join your rump sect ever again.
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