8ball
Merr xmas...
It'll be fine - Californian capitalists aren't like the rest of them. Cannabis is legal down there you know.
Comrade Zuckerberg will have the minor apparatchiks in line before you can say "Vorkuta".
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Facebook: Australia content ban, SWP removal and related news
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It'll be fine - Californian capitalists aren't like the rest of them. Cannabis is legal down there you know.
Comrade Zuckerberg will have the minor apparatchiks in line before you can say "Vorkuta".
It's worth pointing to the shit human content moderators go through Revealed: catastrophic effects of working as a Facebook moderator . There was an older much better first person account but I can't find it. Berliners having a tougher time than Americans is one thing but predictably the other article made some mention of how bad conditions were for moderators elsewhere particularly South East Asia.
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Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Had this reply to SWP's Arab spring taken down as 'spam'!
Thought they may attempt to see it as 'hate speech' bit excessive from anyone's point of view; however must have settled with Spam.
SWP HATERS GOTTA HATE
Nigel Singh
Socialists, Leftist & Progressives generally need to understand and, where tactically possible oppose the reactionary nature of Islamism, significantly trends and manifestations arising post fall of Soviet Union, Muslim Brotherhood, significantly with Erdogan being figurehead and promoter, trends from Salalfism & Wahabbism, that of Shia inspired Khomeini. Mehdi Army etc.
Without out manoeuvring & gaining political leadership and progressive figurehead against Islamist reactionary hegemony and dominance any genuine Leftist & anti imperialist movement is doomed; eg Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya & recently with backing of Western/American intelligence agencies 'Arab Spring.'
(With links to Workers Communist Party Of Iran)
Has anyone else had problems with contacting people, orgs., etc. from West Asiatic, Bosnia, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Middle East where progressives, secularists, left have been in conflict with Islamic regimes/governments etc. or Reactionary Islamists?
Thought they may attempt to see it as 'hate speech' bit excessive from anyone's point of view; however must have settled with Spam.
SWP HATERS GOTTA HATE
Nigel Singh
Socialists, Leftist & Progressives generally need to understand and, where tactically possible oppose the reactionary nature of Islamism, significantly trends and manifestations arising post fall of Soviet Union, Muslim Brotherhood, significantly with Erdogan being figurehead and promoter, trends from Salalfism & Wahabbism, that of Shia inspired Khomeini. Mehdi Army etc.
Without out manoeuvring & gaining political leadership and progressive figurehead against Islamist reactionary hegemony and dominance any genuine Leftist & anti imperialist movement is doomed; eg Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya & recently with backing of Western/American intelligence agencies 'Arab Spring.'
(With links to Workers Communist Party Of Iran)
Has anyone else had problems with contacting people, orgs., etc. from West Asiatic, Bosnia, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Middle East where progressives, secularists, left have been in conflict with Islamic regimes/governments etc. or Reactionary Islamists?
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
Why would you bother posting on an SWP page?
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Really?
I'm surprised such a succinct and insightful statement of the needs of Socialists, Leftist & Progressives wasn't greeted as a true revelation.
I mean, to me it sounds batshit, but I'm sure to those educated in the dialectic it was pure gold.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Whatever your opinion or concerns about my post, concerns should surely be about it being taken down for 'Spam', because of links to groups in and campaigning, struggling & fighting in Islamic Regimes; many tortured, victimised, incarcerated and in cases of Iran executed such as Workers Communist Party Of Iran, TKP & Kirmizi Gazzete in Turkey (as far as I am aware not proscribed as yet by Erdogan) and being unable to post them up separately without text, rather than some false premise of Hate Speech and/or Islamophobia.
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
The more I hear about social media and big tech oligarchs the less I believe they’re on our side 
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
The point you were making is irrelevant. It was a stream of consciousness that was barely readable. Anyone has the right to control what content they allow on their page anyway. Even the SWP. Don't like it? Learn to write and start your own page or blog.
8ball
Merr xmas...
The more I hear about social media and big tech oligarchs the less I believe they’re on our side
You are with Big Tech, or you are with the Alt-Right.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Well, this is a mad development: Facebook blocks Australian users from viewing or sharing news
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Capitalism eating itself?
magneze
🎧
They've also banned emergency services, health services, charities and themselves.
www.theguardian.com
Facebook's botched Australia news ban hits health departments, charities and its own pages
Social media company’s ban on sharing news has also affected dozens of government, not-for-profit and community pages
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They've also banned emergency services, health services, charities and themselves.
Facebook's botched Australia news ban hits health departments, charities and its own pages
Social media company’s ban on sharing news has also affected dozens of government, not-for-profit and community pages
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
More a power struggle between Big Government and Big Tech, Australia is a small enough market for Facebook to be able to write off if the Aussies don't back down but the EU is also considering the same idea and is not only much too big and important a market to lose, it has enough clout to get somewhere in applying penalties. FB wants to discourage the idea that Governments may actually govern as far as it is concerned.
On the other hand Canberra is understandably pissed that an American corporation is willing and increasingly able to effectively ignore and increasingly overrule laws made by an actual elected government
Not helped by the fact that Zuckerberg is an arrogant twat with a long record of cocking the snoot at non-US legal systems.
It will be very interesting to see how this one turns out.
On the other hand Canberra is understandably pissed that an American corporation is willing and increasingly able to effectively ignore and increasingly overrule laws made by an actual elected government
Not helped by the fact that Zuckerberg is an arrogant twat with a long record of cocking the snoot at non-US legal systems.
It will be very interesting to see how this one turns out.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Yeah, when I first saw it I was expecting it to be some crackdown on fake news that got out of hand, I wasn't expecting it to be this sub-Bond villain "...until our demands are met" shit. I would've had a bit more sympathy with them if they'd just gone "everyone stop sharing news on here, this is a terrible website for serious discussion, from now on this is just for cat pictures and being reminded of your mates' birthdays and that's it."
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
#deletefacebook now trending ... on Twitter ...
Talking of which, are twitter blocking news links in oz as well or are they just paying up?
editor
hiraethified
Used fiver in my back pocket, if you please.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
When you get down to the nitty gritty, all this kerfuffle isn't about freedom of speech or respect for the laws or who makes them, it is about advertising revenue. It's aimed more at the likes of Google (especially Google) Out of every $1 advertising revenue that gets spent in Australia, 81c goes to the likes of Google, Facebook and Twitter. The Aussie MSM has got a bee in its bonnet that people looking for news will go to Google and google the story which will just provide the link to a story that they (the MSM) are paying money to provide. Yet most of the advertising revenue goes to Big Tech since they are the first point of call for people looking for news or indeed anything else. It's not really possible to craft laws to hit one or two specific companies without the wisdom of Solomon so Canberra is hitting them all (no doubt using the perfectly valid argument they're all tax dodging scumbags anyhow) Facebook are having a snit since they don't provide much in the way of news in the same way that Google (who've started wheeling and dealing) do and don't see why they should hand over some of their advertising revenue to the likes of News International.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
Article in the guardian about the Australia situation
Australia shows the way. It’s the job of governments not big tech to run democracies
I learnt a new word from it, "pyrrhic"
Australia shows the way. It’s the job of governments not big tech to run democracies
I learnt a new word from it, "pyrrhic"
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I with the Australian government on this one. Facebook is a fucking menace and should be destroyed, so anything that hobbles them is for the good. Hopefully the petulant response of Zuckerborg's Internet Hate Machine has got most of the ire of this situation focused on Facebook.
it's not going to hobble them unfortunately. their profits are high enough that they'll do the deals with newspapers and absorb the costs. Google already are.
they were fighting tooth and nail because they want to preserve their margins & avoid other governments copying the precedent, not because it's an existential threat to them.
they were fighting tooth and nail because they want to preserve their margins & avoid other governments copying the precedent, not because it's an existential threat to them.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Even it's not existential, it's still a fight I want Facebook to lose.
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