butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I thought i'd become a shit intellectually lazy poster but fucking hell.
SWP expulsions and squabbles
- Thread starter Nigel Irritable
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I thought i'd become a shit intellectually lazy poster but fucking hell.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
try harder then. Your posts are worthy of the RCP in their level of pointless abstraction
Epona
Sonic: 1 Nov 2006 - 8 Jan 2022
I had to look for a long time too
Is £10 to £30 a month, depending on income. Which is less than it was? Used to be a percentage didn't it? Something like that, maybe got that totally wrong. If you earned a lot, I'm sure you were expected to pay more than £30 a month. But my memory is bad.
As far as I know it has always been pay what you can afford or want to pay - the subs displayed are a guideline, not an absolute. If you can read, it also says "we recommend that you pay the following", not "this is what you must pay". If you can only afford 50p a month, that is fine.
bald men, i've got a spare comb if you need it
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The take up of our placards was a sign of our growing strength. Uh huh uh huh.
Tell the truth
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
That's weird it is not there for me. Must be because I'm on my phone.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I remember one lecturer paying £150 a month. £10 a month is double for most people I would have thought, less than most union subs. And I am sure they would accept less.I had to look for a long time too
Is £10 to £30 a month, depending on income. Which is less than it was? Used to be a percentage didn't it? Something like that, maybe got that totally wrong. If you earned a lot, I'm sure you were expected to pay more than £30 a month. But my memory is bad.
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I have just checked my phone. It is on there in the same place. It is in a green and black background box with the white SWP fist.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
aah, so all kinds of measurement are now 'the market' is it? You've been reading too much John Grey.
'Events A and B have C in common, therefore they are the same!' Grossly simplistic. Your argument eventually says that everything is the market. Now you can make an abstract claim for that being the case, but, by its abstraction,m it is rendered meaningless.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
My argument is that this is wrong - yours is the free choice nonsense. Remember when Dave macnally destroyed that argument for your tradition in the early 90s?
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I have been having problems since the last android upgrade so I am blaming that.
Belboid and butchersapron (in alphabetical order) leave the squabbling alone, there'll be tears before bedtime. 
butchersapron
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I haven't made an identity based argument - i've identified a pro-market tradition and pointed out that its central strut is based on the same logic as what you offer us.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I never left the party the party left me
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
what? Stop trying to argue against your own imagination
I haven't said that you have. I've said that you made a shit, wholly abstract, argument. Badly.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
oi! This is what we do! Dont deny us our very essence.Belboid and butchersapron (in alphabetical order) leave the squabbling alone, there'll be tears before bedtime.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why did you do it badly?
Review. Do.
Not a word in direct reply to my posts about what you said and what your posts entail. Just keep saying abstract.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This thread has now been ruined 
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Probably because you just made up what I supposedly said.
This thread has now been ruined
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
One thing that would be an interesting thought exercise - would removing all the SWP, and while we're at it other Trot group, branding on demos give them more credibility and help to build support? Are there many people who would otherwise join who are put off?
Imo, yes, people would be more likely to express themselves, but its not just the placards, the Trots restrict who can speak on the platforms, though I do think they are getting a bit better at this as their power wanes.
One thing to note is that all the various sects are calling anti-austerity demos, some on the same day, you couldn't make it up.
One thing to note is that all the various sects are calling anti-austerity demos, some on the same day, you couldn't make it up.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
The only people who give a shit are other leftist old lags or, for different reasons, an occasional pompous liberal who objects to "extremists" or to people "politicising" whatever issue is involved.
Similarly treelover's complaint about them "restricting who can speak on the platforms" was true enough when they had the clout to do so, but it was a power they used only to exclude rival far leftists. They were only too pleased to encourage people from outside that milieu to speak whenever possible.
Al of that stuff was aggravating if you were an anarchist or some other breed of socialist, but it's basically trivial in terms of "credibility and building support".
I don't believe you; you are making this up.
Yep the SWP don't put any normal people off participating demos - the entire left (especially the far-left) alienates people every day in every way. Which is why it makes no sense to say that Labour needs to move left to attract more support.
So what should Labour do to attract more support?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
How? I don't think most people have daily interactions with the left, some students maybe...
I said people, I didn't say all people or many people. However when people come into contact with the far left they seem at best disinterested and at worse alienated, I wonder why that is?
Talk to people, ask them about their self identified needs. The same as the far-left should do.
Exactly. The reply is 'look at Scotland' but that's also nonsense. It's no surprise that Labour Party members are suddenly seeing the worth in their most successful leader of modern times, you know the one that won three elections - in many cases the only Labour victories they remember - and finally learning the lessons.
Labour needs to win people that didn't vote for them. Not those that did.
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