SWP expulsions and squabbles

[belboid]

I suspect not. The "safe space" terminology is quite often thrown at SWP types on twitter.

Oh, 'safe space' and 'rape apology' were both uttered I'm sure

 

[butchersapron]

Regardless of use, the feeding grounds are now gone. Where to pull in members from? Unionists? Nope? non-student anti-fascists? Possibly? Working class kids? Not a fucking chance.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Regardless of use, the feeding grounds are now gone. Where to pull in members from? Unionists? Nope? non-student anti-fascists? Possibly? Working class kids? Not a fucking chance.

The Sheffield universities are a bit of a special case in that, as I understand it, there are two large ex-SWSS groups and just one active SWP student. I doubt if they will consistently come up against this sort of ban where there aren't organised groups that are ferociously hostile to them. But more generally, I agree with your point. They can recruit the raw at freshers fairs (where they aren't banned), but Google has a long and unkind memory, and sooner or later the recruit is going to run into other left or feminist activists.

 

[killer b]

just one active SWP student.

 

[imposs1904]

Wearing badges is not enough in days like these.

 

[belboid]

blimey, apparently Weyman got 100 people along to their Sheffield Racism Resistance & Revolution meeting yesterday

 

[emanymton]

blimey, apparently Weyman got 100 people along to their Sheffield Racism Resistance & Revolution meeting yesterday

What did he use? A cattle prod?

Eta: is that a real 100 or a socialist worker 100?

 

[belboid]

a real 100 - i was so told by the caretaker rather than any swappie.

he also told me that the local constituency tory party started meeting there earlier this year. they had 4 people at their last meeting

 

[belboid]

btw, here's the lil piece from this weeks Private Eye

 

[barney_pig]

Unable to keep up with the pace of events the Weakly wanker decides to contribute by providing everybody's full names rather than the initials used in the bulletins.
How this helps anyone, except black listers and fascists is beyond me.
Especially as the cpgb happily hide behind party names

 

[barney_pig]

From Andy Newman

If it were not for SU publishing things that people preferred we would not publish, then either none of this would have come out, or alternatively, the information would have come out partially and self-servingly from Weekly Worker, whichwould have discredited the information.

Although SWP members indulge in the conceit that I am a “sectarian” and this is a “sectarian website”, I have no interest at all in fishing in the same pool as the SWP. I am a GMB branch secretary and a prospective parliamentary candidate for the Labour Party, I have no other political axes to grind, and as such there is no self-serving agenda in us publishing this stuff.

Tote lols

 

[Nigel Irritable]

From Andy Newman


Tote lols

Not big on self-awareness is our Andy.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

The fact that he is a ppc shows the paucity of the Labour Party in Chippenham

 

[killer b]

it does rather. i assume it's a safe tory seat?

 

[Balbi]

Lib/Tory swinger.

 

[DotCommunist]

what an awful thought

 

[TremulousTetra]

funny to see the prof/kimber destroy rmp3's stupid diana bullshit. referencing zetkin.

Well my position has always been "But such a recognition is completely part of a Marxist approach which acknowledges that oppression cuts across class divisions. We point to how women are trivialised, judged and discriminated against even if they are city bankers or Tory ministers. But we go on to say that doesn’t mean that we believe that such women have a common interest in bringing down the system that breeds such inequality." that I misrepresented that position with my badly phrased initial question, is fair comment.

My intent was merely to point out they don't suffer women's oppression, in the same way working-class women suffer women's oppression. Same with racism. Which is what brought me back to this today.

I'm glad I clarified at least I didn't intend to infer an individual's experience of verbal racism is unimportant.interestingly, while I agree with the criticism of John Barnes here http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...acism-football-dangerous-wrong-114214077.html I can quite understand why he would be embarrassed to have his "suffering" of racism, compared to those who suffer from lynch mobs to institutionalised discrimination.

 

[TremulousTetra]

"5 Things I Learned When Leaving The SWP"

http://www.jimjepps.net/?p=635

So many books. So much Trotsky. All that Cliff. I had to knock through an extension in my brain in order to make room for all the books I read and, by quantity, I had good reason to think I was well read. The problem was that whilst I read a lot “within the IS tradition” I’d never been encouraged to get a broader education in case I became infected by alien ideas from other, naughty, traditions. So the works of poor old Ernest Mandel, Germaine Greer, or Hilary Wainwright barely existed, despite the fact that they are each have juicy and rich peaches that could only deepen an activist’s understanding of the world around them.

which struck me as funny as Chris Harman asked me to put Ernest Mandel recordings on the resistance MP3 website, and http://www.bookmarksbookshop.co.uk supplies books by all three quoted authors.

 

[butchersapron]

Report on the ISN conference:

While a merger with SR was rejected, a wider, broader regroupment project was agreed. This will include not only SR and the likes of Workers Power, but the anti-cuts campaign, Plan C, the Industrial Workers of the World and the Anarchist Federation - which seems speculative, to say the least. The result is not exactly dazzling for people with a principled Marxist outlook then, but it does mean the comrades in and around the ISN and the Anti-Capitalist Initiative, which were scheduled for an imminent merger, will have a breathing space until later next year. Hopefully this is going to give comrades in both groups some time for real thought, debate and critical reflection, which is obviously desperately needed.

And who would have guessed the Anti-capitalist-initiative would turn out to be yet another trot-centric group.

 

[butchersapron]

Do read the last part of that report: they are debating whether they should reject or work in government coalition with reformist parties. Really.

 

[DotCommunist]

there aren't any reformist parties though. Well maybe TUSC but not really.

 

[butchersapron]

That's irrelevant really - the point is that they see whether this group of 100 or so people should enter a reformists governing coalition as something they need to debate today.

(Someone will step in here and say this will determine how they carry on their day to day political activity when working with other groups on cuts stuff for example. It won't. They will do the exact same thing they were doing before regardless of how this pointless debate is resolved which is pretty much the same as all the other similar left groups - including those who have came to different conclusions on this burning issue).

 

[DotCommunist]

it does look like fiddling while rome burns- they aren't in a million years going to be in the position of having to deal with that question and its not even a real question cos who are the reformist parties of the left? Respect? TUSC?

are there not more pressing issues to be addressed.

 

[killer b]

it does look like fiddling while rome burns- they aren't in a million years going to be in the position of having to deal with that question and its not even a real question cos who are the reformist parties of the left? Respect? TUSC?

do you think they're talking about Labour?

 

[DotCommunist]

do you think they're talking about Labour?

entryism

 

[butchersapron]

They're talking about being coalition partners as themselves with a governing reformist party. Governing reformist party. Coalition partners.

 

[andysays]

They're talking about being coalition partners as themselves with a governing reformist party. Governing reformist party. Coalition partners.

I'm sure that's the signal Red Ed has been waiting for before he gives them a call

 

[DotCommunist]

I know the wisdom goes aim for the moon and you might hit the top of a lampost but really.

 

[killer b]

They're talking about being coalition partners as themselves with a governing reformist party. Governing reformist party. Coalition partners.

they're probably thinking that, seeing as they'll be roughly the same size as the lib dems after the next election, they might as well think along the same lines as them?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Do read the last part of that report: they are debating whether they should reject or work in government coalition with reformist parties. Really.

Where is it from?