SWP expulsions and squabbles
- Thread starter Nigel Irritable
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
that isnt a conference report. Its a report of a joint meeting between various groups - one of which (around SR) want to work with reformist parties in that way. The Seymourite wing of ISN might want to go down that route, but aren't as naive as to talk about doing so at the moment
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It was a report on the ISN's "politics conference". I didn't say that it was a conference report (as in the groups own report on a conference).
Do the ISG and ITO still exist matryoshka style inside Socialist Resistance?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it isnt. Its a report of 'the November 2 joint ISN-ACI-SR meeting in London’s Kings Cross,' The conference (which they reported on the other week) made absolutely no mention of participation in bourgeois coalitions or anything of the kind
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yeah, you're right. Which changes nothing as regards the absurd nature of such discussions.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Who are SR and Anti-Capitalist Initiative?
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
As you read it so closely, you'll realise all the people you are talking about are SR (Socialist Resistance, ex-IMG), not ISN or ACI (anti-capitalist initiative, ex-Workers Power youth plus a couple of others). Of course such discussions are absurd (except in the very vague future dreams), but they're also only being held by one group. Which wasnt the one you said it was.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
the actual conference minutes are at http://internationalsocialistnetwork.org/index.php/downloads/255-is-network-conference-bulletin-2
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Which doesn't make any sense given that you a) pointed out it was a joint ISN-ACI-SR discussion and b) said that a leading part of ISN are keen on working with reformist parties. Are they not doing that during this meeting then or just boycotting all discussion of the issue? c) That the report suggest that many ISN members are integrated with SR and d) that ACI members intervened in the debate from the floor.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
the report says only two ISN members turned up! Which indicates the level of interest most members have about an immediate merging with SR, and of the topics that concern them. the two (or three) groups arent integrated at all, tho Tom W is quite well in as he is on the Left Unity Steering Committee.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
bloody hell, glad we cleared that up.
So, any more news on the SWP?
So, any more news on the SWP?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
There does seem to be considerable reluctance about merging with SR. Partly because the more radical punters in the ISN see it as accepting a kind of social democratic post-Trotskyism. And partially because SR smell of failure and small grey haired meetings.
BK Double Stack
Reconstructed Marcyite
I repeat: SR = elephant cemetary. Pretty much the same deal with the USFI this side of the Atlantic.
Not as such but they have come under fire in the PCS:
http://howiescorner.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/swp-come-under-fire-in-pcs-union.html
comrade spurski
Well-Known Member
not having a dig at anyone but for what it's worth I think that this is weird article...
think it's fair enough and right to bring up the rape allegation... but the rest reads as red baiting ...
the author comes across as being more pissed off that they are a Trotskyist (is that a word?) party....presumably they'd have written the same thing about any party that considers itself revolutionary or an anarchist candidate that believes in a "violent revolution"...that's fair enough to believe that but it's a political argument.
The issue of rape alone should have been addressed in my opinion because ANY party that believes this behaviour is acceptable and any member of that party shouldn't be legitimised by being elected until they have corrected everything they've done wrong and made amends (imo the swp is way to fucked up to do this).
The rest is the authors personal political beliefs and they are no more or less valid than anyone elses
Oh...and I don't get the BNP line ...
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
looks interesting. cheers.
Simply that he's an "extremist", I think.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
Dominion = Howard Fuller and yes you're right to be sceptical of his "personal opinions" which are pretty much hostile the left in all its forms and tendencies.
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
Have you ever been to Dublin?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Run along and drown in a slurry pit, there's a good lad.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
National Socialism was left-wing cos it has Socialism in the name, these totalitarian movements are all the same!!! Am I right?
J Ed
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Remember all those undemocratic Marxist governments in Latin America during the 20th Century which banned all opposition and suppressed the democratic desires of their people through mass murder, rape and torture just to stop them democratically electing liberal governments which could finally liberalise their economies and put their resources at the control of foreign governments and an oligarchy.
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