butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Let it all out. SWP! SWP! SWP!
Socialist my arse.
Socialist my arse.
SWP expulsions and squabbles
- Thread starter Nigel Irritable
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bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Engurland. Engurland.Engurland. anarchist my arse, cock.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'd have gone the way to Swindon to drink with you and your imaginary mates who just happen to fit your arguments before, but you, now, i would only travel to pour the petrol on.
You are a disgrace.
You are a disgrace.
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cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I hope you're never a juror.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Or a human being (might happen)
sounds horribly familiar
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
So basically you think Stack got it right to begin with? I feel pretty confident to agree with you that he is guilty of harassment, but I am not really in a position to say either way on the rape charge.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
This won't help much, but amazingly they really do not seem to have thought about this before hand. There was a split on the DC with Stack coming to a different conclusion on the harassment charge. Part of the reason for this is that it looks to me like he was applying a civil standard while the rest where applying criminal. Which is just one more way in which the whole process was an utter farce.
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We can all read your post.
You don't actually address the point made that there is seemingly a difference of opinion within the SWP about what constitutes rape. If you think he didn't rape, have you reached that conclusion because you define rape differently from those who think he did when faced with the same evidence?
Athos
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't trust those clowns to run a bath, nevermind something as serious as a rape investigation. An utter shambles.
The funny thing is that she obviously believes that what happened to her was rape. And she was the one in a position to judge that. Not you.
Do you think women go around saying that they were raped lightly? Have you any idea of the shock, shame and humiliation it entails to say- even to recognise- that you have been raped?
This is a sorry saga and few people come out of it looking good. It's certainly the end of the swp, the bulletin shows that very clearly.
indeed.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
As far as bb is concerned nothing has changed since page 1 of this thread. The central committee is right. It is always right. When the central committee said there was no case to answer, there was no case to answer. When the central committee said there was a case to answer, there was a case to answer.
All the proof he needs is provided by the prof. Nothing more is necessary.
Rape denial has been thrown around a lot since this began. Bb has now provided us with a clear definition.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I think you're doing bolshiebhoy a bit of a disservice there.
Apparently (unless I have misunderstood) things have changed enough that he has been inspired to rejoin the party he had previously left, though quite why remains, and is like to remain, a mystery to all but him...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
See, this is what this lot have been just waiting to say, it was just lurking there - now they think they're finally on top they can and will say this loudly over and over. At what cost? If a load of middle management desperately recruited returnees come banging in shouting the odds with CC largesse, what will happen?
discokermit
Well-Known Member
you're disgusting.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
it will be the end of them.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think so. If they are planning that - and bbs behavior suggest they are, it's yet another piece of ineptness, this time probably fatal.
Its already over. Its been over for almost a year.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Oisin123
So Much for Subtlety
Fair enough to have no attachment to your mortgage and job. But your marriage?
Nice bit of macho posturing there.
Is the woman who says she was raped no one then?
There, in a nutshell is why women like myself will never ever rejoin your party and why they deserve to be pariahs of the left from now on
Oisin123
So Much for Subtlety
Wha? Fortunately, as you might recall, the Irish SWP is a different party.
pity you ever did, could never understand their attraction, they were seen as clowns by many in Europe, etc, especially at the European Social Forums, where their posturing was laughable.
I was taken aback by a circular issued by PCS which showed the Chair of the unions Equality Committee is to be SWP member Sue Bond and one of the other NEC appointees was uber Callinicos/Smith supporter Marriane Owens.
SWP members taking charge of equality? A disgrace.
Meanwhile I am led to believe there is a motion being put to the PCS Left Unity conference in December for them to "break" with their alliance with the slightly more mainstream PCS Democrats group. It won't get through, but the wrong target methinks.
Given all we now know (including the serious effect of the SWP's treatment of the woman at the centre of the scandal has had on her life), surely they should be considering breaking with the SWP instead.
SWP members taking charge of equality? A disgrace.
Meanwhile I am led to believe there is a motion being put to the PCS Left Unity conference in December for them to "break" with their alliance with the slightly more mainstream PCS Democrats group. It won't get through, but the wrong target methinks.
Given all we now know (including the serious effect of the SWP's treatment of the woman at the centre of the scandal has had on her life), surely they should be considering breaking with the SWP instead.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Has anyone told John M that?
Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
It gets worse (if that's possible). The uncensored Delta case narrative emerges and rings horribly true:
http://socialistunity.com/swp-party-members-write-full-narrative-comrade-delta-rape-case/
http://socialistunity.com/swp-party-members-write-full-narrative-comrade-delta-rape-case/
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