Wow what a mouthful.
I *think* you mean "you can't sort our public finances out unless you control what we spend"?If so, then yes, I agree with that.
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Wow what a mouthful.
I *think* you mean "you can't sort our public finances out unless you control what we spend"?If so, then yes, I agree with that.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No, not so.Wow what a mouthful.
If so, then yes, I agree with that.
Well what do you mean then?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Exactly what said.
What that I "appear mired within the neo-liberal notion that fiscal consolidation can only be effected by reduced public expenditure"
I don't know what you mean, then. Have you lost your key?
I mean that whilst it might sound nice in theory that you tell kids not to worry because they won't pay anything back until they pass X salary, in practice this is far more likely to fall on deaf ears with working class kids.
Certainly, from 2010 to 2014 we are not seeing any meaningful growth in the applications to university from disadvantaged kids. This study uses free school meals (or "FSM") and POLAR2 quintiles as its measures. It shows that although there has not been a great drop-off in applications from disadvantaged kids, neither has their been meaningful growth (look at tables 6 and 7). The proportion of more advantaged kids applying (as a % of all advantaged kids) remains at 2-3 times the proportion of less advantaged kids applying (as a % of all less advantaged kids).
Now, you can interpret those figures in lots of ways depending on your political persuasion. But one thing that's undoubtedly true is that nothing about the current system is fixing the class divide in university applications. So I go back to my earlier comment -- you can either throw your hands up in horror and keep with the status quo. Or you can try to systematically dismantle the barriers to entry that are causing that 2-3 times ratio. And if you want to do the latter, you have to grapple with the mental block that a fee structure has introduced on top of all the other blocks.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
"if you were opening up a small business..." etc.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Oh, I see.
That's because we've got a few tory/UKIP type trolls on board atm.
I hope you don't include me in that.
My focus is on materiality of tax revenues....not number of businesses. I don't think a the location of a thousand jugglers will count the same as one multinational who might be choosing where to be based.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
most tax revenues in electronic transfer and so not material
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Starry Wisdom
yeh i called rentokil again this morning, they'll be round sometime in the week.
That depends on myriad factors, including what my business is, what my market is, where the trained labour force is situated, what the local infrastructure is like and lets not forget the quality of any graduate recruits I might need.
France has a considerably higher productivity per hour worked than the UK. More than 25% higher, in fact:
So that's something I might bear in mind when choosing where to site my business.
And to point out the obvious: France has about the same GDP for about the same population as the UK (source), so businesses are obviously not all flocking from France to the UK in spite of corporation tax being twice as high there.
Some good points. But again if we are comparing possible europe host countries for a business I'm not sure the myriad of factors is that different between them.
Note also that the low uk corp tax rate, in the bigger scheme of things, is a relatively recent thing....the benefits of which will accumulate.
Back to the thread....I see no point raising corp tax to pay for every tom dick and harry to do a degree in flower arranging, at the cost of the wider economy.
....wha???....
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tax revenues not collected in coins and bank notes - which are material - but through electronic transfer, which is not material. this is not a difficult point to understand: or certainly shouldn't be.
J Ed
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Your main hobby is wallowing around in your own ignorance, isn't it?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
What an un-necessarily ignorant and nasty post.
The burden on UK capital that actually agrees to be taxed has been falling since early in Thatcher's first administration. Such corporate welfare obviously benefits the profit dependent classes at the expense of those reliant on public services and accelerating inequality.
I would normally ask you to substantiate your claim that a degree in flower-arranging exists, but i know that it doesn't; you were just being a bit of cunt.
brogdale said:
Should have googled it.... took me less than 30 seconds to find one Advanced Course Search - BA (Hons) Professional Floristry and Floral Design (Top-up)
Many thanks Leslie. Untrammelled moral superiority once again trammelled with reference to fact.
I realise its an easy short cut to resort to personal aggresion...but the door remains open if you'd like to challenge a specific point raised.
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Starry Wisdom
not sure a one year ba course, be it in floristry, history or liguistics and phonetics really has the same level of rigour of the traditional three year degree, even if you get postnominals from it. you'd likely be better off joining the royal institution and chucking mri after your name.
I don't have much more to say on this, and I don't agree with Barry about everything on this thread, but I do think people need to think about what a 'troll' is, or more specfically what it is not.
Someone who disagrees with you, even someone who disagrees with most posters on here isn't a troll.
Someone who disagrees with you, even someone who disagrees with most posters on here isn't a troll.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no indeed: the urban colloquial for that sort of person is 'cunt'.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
What's wrong with someone wanting to get a degree in that subject? What the fuck has it got to do with you?
Maybe not- it is a top up from a foundation degree in the same subject. The number of people doing it is probably also quite small, tiny as a percentage of all students. The fact remains, though, you *can* do a degree in floristry, and Brogdale was absolutely adamant you could not......
Nothing at all provided you dont want me to pay for it.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
How much of your money do you think would be spent on this course? Give me a number.
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Starry Wisdom
the corollary of which is, of course, that you wouldn't want to benefit from anything you've not contributed to.
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