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[Anudder Oik]

You may be able to see why stuff like this is as welcome to the left as a fart in a spacesuit:

"La Raza Catalana, an academic book written by two professors and widely taught in Catalonian universities, can be read as a manifesto outlining the superiority of the Catalonian race. The book argues for the existence of a “Catalonaryan” race that has its roots in ancient German tribes and refutes all Latin, African and Semitic elements. The well-known Catalan priest and musician Josep Armengou is quoted in this book. He goes as far as saying that “The Africanism [of Spain] has never been shared in Catalonia which is merely European in its cultural and political roots.” He calls this the “Catalonian differential fact” and goes on to say that “Spain’s current place should not be in the European Union, but in the Arab League. I am saying this with no irony at all.”

The Question of Catalonian Independence: More than a Soccer Game? | NUPR

Most of the article is bollocks, but if what it says about the book is mostly true then you get my point?

My god, that's horrible, but I've never heard of it and the wider Independence movement definitely doesn't harbour those ideas, they are left wing, just look at the make up of the CDR's. I will ask people if it's true that that shit is taught at university and get back to you.

The indepedence movement is not as much about nationalism as it is about getting a divorce from an abusive husband. I have said today that many republicans in Catalonia, including ones not born here, are not catalan nationalists. I get this from the horses mouth every day.

I have also been asking literally dozens of people what they think of Andalusia and it's people. The answer is always the same, they have no dislike of the people.

The problem is the dominant abusive spanish state which is basically a machine that creates independentistas, and their unfair tax system.

People seem to think that the movement is lead from the top down by bourgoise politicians when it's force is from the people themselves with 2 of the three political parties in the process being left wing.

 

[Pickman's model]

the wider Independence movement definitely doesn't harbour those ideas, they are left wing, just look at the make up of the CDR's. I will ask people if it's true that that shit is taught at university and get back to you.

The indepedence movement is not as much about nationalism as it is about getting a divorce from an abusive husband. I have said today that many republicans in Catalonia, including ones not born here, are not catalan nationalists. I get this from the horses mouth every day.

when i saw the sept 11 demos a few years back it was plain to see that there were people of a wide range of political persuasions involved in the catalonian nationalist / independence movement, including people who seemed to me descended from the mazzinian tradition, certainly a lot of people laid flowers by a statue of some auld masonick type. so i very much doubt that 'the wider independence movement' are uniformly left-wing, there'll be some auld loons among them.

 

[Pickman's model]

2 of the three political parties in the process being left wing.

could it be one of these parties allowed or called for the use of this nefandous book?

 

[Anudder Oik]

"You'd think they'd have learned the language"

I get where you are coming from but disagree with the comparison as it's the other way round here. When I first came to Catalonia I learned spanish not catalan because it is spoken by more people and catalans are bi-lingual anyway, however, it wasn't until I started speaking catalan that things really opened up for me.

After centuries of persecution, the catalans are defensive, their language has been banned by the spanish kings and state on various occasions. I think it was wrong for me not to make an effort earlier.

As for the 1,100,000 Ciutadans voters, the vast majority of them want to impose Spanish over the local language. It is they who say to the catalans "Speak in Christian!"

Rather than being the victims of local intolerance, they (not all spanish) are the bringers of intolerance here. Please note I say Ciutadans voters and not all spanish people.

Their attitude is "why learn the language if you can ban it".

I posted this video before. Militants from Ciutadans telling the Catalans they can learn their language in private academies (paying for it themselves) and not in school.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Another rapper gets two years and a day prison sentence for lyrics in a song about "Evictions, speculation and police violence".

 

[JuanTwoThree]

"La Raza Catalana, an academic book written by two professors and widely taught in Catalonian universities, can be read as a manifesto outlining the superiority of the Catalonian race. The book argues for the existence of a “Catalonaryan” race that has its roots in ancient German tribes and refutes all Latin, African and Semitic elements. The well-known Catalan priest and musician Josep Armengou is quoted in this book. He goes as far as saying that “The Africanism [of Spain] has never been shared in Catalonia which is merely European in its cultural and political roots.” He calls this the “Catalonian differential fact” and goes on to say that “Spain’s current place should not be in the European Union, but in the Arab League. I am saying this with no irony at all.”

Possibly bollocks, since in fact Francisco Caja, its author, is head of CCC I doubt if it's a manifesto but probably more a denunciation of the attitudes it describes

Francisco Caja - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

 

[butchersapron]

Perfect satire

 

[Anudder Oik]

Possibly bollocks, since in fact Francisco Caja, its author, is head of CCC I doubt if it's a manifesto but probably more a denunciation of the attitudes it describes

Francisco Caja - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

Possibly no, definitley. Now, by the rules of this forum, Pickman's Model shall have to stalk you and continually write the words Francisco Caja in every thread you paricpate in.

A denunciation from a fascist, perfect satire? Invent something nasty and false about catalans to denounce it. Someone invite him to urban.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Perfect satire

You find a twisted defamatory ideological attack on a people by a fascist Perfect satire? or you mean something else?

 

[butchersapron]

You find a twisted defamatory ideological attack on a people by a fascist Perfect satire? or you mean something else?

I think it fits you and your mad ginger jihad perfectly.

Be careful with that term fascist.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Protests all over Spain because of the judge's ridiculous sentencing of the "Manada", the Pamplona gang rape group which includes one Guardia Civil and one soldier.

They are not sentenced with rape but sexual abuse.

Protests in Spain as five men cleared of teenager's gang rape

 

[JuanTwoThree]

Invent something nasty and false about catalans to denounce it

He didn't invent the quote by Josep Armengou. Unless he did.

 

[Pickman's model]

Protests all over Spain because of the judge's ridiculous sentencing of the "Manada", the Pamplona gang rape group which includes one Guardia Civil and one soldier.

They are not sentenced with rape but sexual abuse.

Yeh. Sentenced FOR. Not with or to.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

Possibly no, definitley. Now, by the rules of this forum, Pickman's Model shall have to stalk you and continually write the words Francisco Caja in every thread you paricpate in.

So I'm not him as well as me. Phew

 

[DexterTCN]

 

[Pickman's model]

Possibly no, definitley. Now, by the rules of this forum, Pickman's Model shall have to stalk you and continually write the words Francisco Caja in every thread you paricpate in.

this is more accurate than most things you post but it's still bollocks

 

[JuanTwoThree]

My little town yesterday. This is the Spain that I live in.

 

[mojo pixy]

You know tapas is out for you as well right?

And Flamenco and los Morancos.

But not bull-dodging

 

[Anudder Oik]

From 2016.

 

[Favelado]

But not bull-dodging

Or correfoc. Bullfighting disgusting but tying burning torches to their horns is FINE.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Or correfoc. Bullfighting disgusting but tying burning torches to their horns is FINE?

There is a terrible track record for fiestas in Spain where cruelty to animals is/was the main entertainment. Some examples were: Throwing a live goat out of a high church tower, A multitude literally beating to death donkeys in a public square with fists, and pulling the heads off chickens dangling from ropes over a river. It's not historic but recent.

In Catalonia they banned bullfighting years ago.

There is a video on youtube called:

Paletadas - Pateo de la Cabra en Manganeses de la Polvorosa [25-01-1992]

Viewer discretion advised

 

[Favelado]

We know this, that's what I was referring to. Why is bullfighting banned but tying fireworks and burning torches to bulls' horns okay? Because it's Catalan, that's why.

 

[Favelado]

I'll try again. See if you understand this:

I'm probably not the only person arguing with you who can claim this but I can speak only for myself. I fought fascism. Not metaphorically 'fought' with pamphlets, demos and so on though that too. With boots, fists, chairs, bottles.

The people I fought said things like:

"Yes, they live here but they're not really English"

"You'd think they'd have learned the language"

"They're loud, noisy, in your face. Not like us"

"They want to impose their culture on us"

"They keep their ties with the places they came from"

You must be able to see why the things you say are such powerful echoes of these people who I helped, in a small way, to clean off the streets like vermin. So that's kind of 'strike 1'

At the same time here in Spain young people who are now my friends were fighting another kind of fascist (well, another facet of the same beast, another head of the same dragon).

I do live in the Spain you describe. It is detestable. However, I also live in the Spain of the people who chased the 'grises' and were chased by them, in something that mattered far more, they would say, than the 1970s/80s UK fight. I respect their view. And they have children and grand-children who haven't turned into the people you describe.

You're right about the awfulness of contemporary Spain. But it's also not the monolith you describe. Strike 2.

Then when you're over-excited you say crass things like


Which would be strike 3 if you really meant it.

You may be thinking "If there are all these politically sound people in Spain why are they being so quiet?"

The answer may be that they don't like the sound of what they are hearing from the likes of you. Because they have heard something very like it before.

Brilliantly put. Thank you.

 

[J Ed]

There is a terrible track record for fiestas in Spain where cruelty to animals is/was the main entertainment. Some examples were: Throwing a live goat out of a high church tower, A multitude literally beating to death donkeys in a public square with fists, and pulling the heads off chickens dangling from ropes over a river. It's not historic but recent.

In Catalonia they banned bullfighting years ago.

There is a video on youtube called:

Paletadas - Pateo de la Cabra en Manganeses de la Polvorosa [25-01-1992]

Viewer discretion advised

You could add 'but correfoc is bad too' to this post.

 

[Favelado]

Work started this week on pulling down the remaining street signs in Madrid with fascist street names. The new names have been chosen, and it's not a job that needs more than a few ladders and a bit of hammering, so it will be complete very soon.

Spanish article from last year and list of new names below.

Madrid aprueba el cambio de nombre de 52 calles de referencias franquistas

Confirmation that work is underway.

El Ayuntamiento de Madrid ha comenzado a eliminar los nombres de las calles franquistas


Manuela Carmena has been a brilliant mayor so far. She's very old and won't be in the job for ever. It's a shame, because it's rare to have someone you agree with on almost everything running the show.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Albert Rivera, of the far right Ciutadans party tweeting the faces of 9 catalan teachers accused of "hate crimes" for allowing a debate at school, the day after the referendum.

 

[Anudder Oik]

 

[Favelado]

Albert Rivera, of the far right Ciutadans party tweeting the faces of 9 catalan teachers accused of "hate crimes" for allowing a debate at school, the day after the referendum.

For allowing a debate?

Hi everyone, here's what today's controversy is really about.

There's a case coming to court involving 9 Catalan teachers. The key point to the case is that they are accused of (note accused, AO, I'm not saying it's true or untrue) of pointing out who were the children of Guardia Civil police in class. The dishonesty of saying it's because they allowed a debate is typical of you.

Albert Rivera today came out on Twitter and criticised them for singling people out, before erm, singling them out with their photos, therefore leading to accusations of hypocrisy.

Story for Spanish speakers below.

Los tuiteros cargan contra Albert Rivera por “señalar” a nueve maestros catalanes

 

[JuanTwoThree]

When I lived in the Basque Country identifying the children of central government officials could have led to their parent's deaths. Even now there are families here half a km from the border whose kids say very little when asked 'What do your parents do?". We had to skip questions like these when administering English exams.

This, if it happened as has been suggested, is less serious than that but still a terrible departure from a teacher's responsibility.

Very twisted version here, but the facts speak for themselves, if true:

Los 9 maestros catalanes de la infamia

 

[Anudder Oik]

For allowing a debate?

Hi everyone, here's what today's controversy is really about.

There's a case coming to court involving 9 Catalan teachers. The key point to the case is that they are accused of (note accused, AO, I'm not saying it's true or untrue) of pointing out who were the children of Guardia Civil police in class. The dishonesty of saying it's because they allowed a debate is typical of you.

Albert Rivera today came out on Twitter and criticised them for singling people out, before erm, singling them out with their photos, therefore leading to accusations of hypocrisy.

Story for Spanish speakers below.

Los tuiteros cargan contra Albert Rivera por “señalar” a nueve maestros catalanes

I'm certain that the teachers, knowing that some of their students are sons of Guardia civil from the nearby barracks, did not "Single" them out.

However, if you like, you can give more weight to the version of the Guardia Civil, who, during the process, have invented charges of Terrorism, invented charges of theft of public funds and battered old ladies the day before the debate. Their track record is squeaky clean whereas that of Catalan teachers must be dodgy.

They want to stifle free speech. The charges against the teachers are concocted.

There is a campaign to criminalize the catalan education system and the indepedence movement and you seem to be part of it.