Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Shame there aren't any serious discussions.
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chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Which regions?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
but how fortunate for you
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'm sure there's a few ultra-nationalist or ethnic-chauvinist boards that are doing what you're after.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
The independence movement in Catalonia is far from ultra. The Ultras are on the Unity side, as I have shown again and again. neo nazis with Ciutadans candidates, hundreds of physical attacks, a rise in confidence of openly fascist parties. All frothing at the mouth about the separatists. They, the ultras, are tapping into a long term nationailst prejudice against Catalans, nurtured by the press over decades.
ABC, the pro Franco newspaper used to run a section in the 80's and 90's where spanish speakers living in Catalonia vented their ire against the catalans, for having the audacity to expect people to understand their language in their region.
Did you know that the majority of Ciutadans voters, living in Catalonia don't speak catalan?
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Bloody Jamaicans with their Notting Hill Carnival.
eta absolute bollocks that Catalans and Spanish are very different in culture and temperament. Catalans are no more different from madrileños than Asturians, Aragoneses, Andaluces or Cantabrians. Brainwashed beyond help.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
They are about to give the Sentence for the manada "the pack", a group of young men, who raped a girl at the San Fermines in Pamplona last year.
It's an important case generating expectation and many people are nervous that they might not be punished. The judge rejected their Whattsap messages as evidence against them. Their messages showed their intent to rape and that they already had done so on another ocasion.
LIVE, here:
La Manada: la sentencia en directo
It's an important case generating expectation and many people are nervous that they might not be punished. The judge rejected their Whattsap messages as evidence against them. Their messages showed their intent to rape and that they already had done so on another ocasion.
LIVE, here:
La Manada: la sentencia en directo
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Of course they are different. The Catalans won't shout in your face.
Are the jamaicans voting to have english culture banned in Schools and a jamaican system set up in its place while taxes are diverted in a disproportionate way to their carribean island? Are they cheering the police for beating people?
If you are in Madrid it would be interesting for you to do an experiment. Wear a yellow ribbon for the political prisoners and go for a walk around. On second thoughts, don't, it could be dangerous.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Notting Hill?
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
First accused for the Manada rape case gets 9 years. The sentence is not termed rape by the judge but "Sexual Abuse"?
50,000 euros to pay as compensation to victim.
50,000 euros to pay as compensation to victim.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Only half? Not good enough.Why not, I'm half Irish and currently wearing an Ohara's T-Shirt.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
The Pamplona rape case explained.
Anger over treatment of alleged victim at Pamplona gang-rape trial
Anger over treatment of alleged victim at Pamplona gang-rape trial
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
And Flamenco and los Morancos.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Third accused in La Manada case sentenced to 9 years, too, again the judge doesn't recognize rape but states it as "sexual abuse".
This is suspiscious as this gang of men raped her "in every way" after ushering her into a doorway. The judge is leaving a way open to an appeal by watering down the charges. Disgusting.
This is suspiscious as this gang of men raped her "in every way" after ushering her into a doorway. The judge is leaving a way open to an appeal by watering down the charges. Disgusting.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Adalusian nationalists won seats in Barcelona in 1980 iirc.
...and Andalucian nationalists appear to be supporting Catalan independence.
I dunno, coming here with their bloody ferias eh?
There is nothing wrong with celebrating Ferias while they don't represent an attempt at an imposition of dominant Spanishness.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
You will hear me say it and more of them need to be won over to the idea of the republic.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
anyone with the slightest connection to ireland knows it's not ohara but o'hara.Why not, I'm half Irish and currently wearing an Ohara's T-Shirt.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
One of the three majistrates in the case voted to drop all charges against the Pamplona "Manada" rape gang.
Thus is the spanish judicial system. One of the accused is one of their own, a policeman.
menawhile in another case (Altsasu), the prosecutor insists on pressing charges of "Terrorism" against a group of youths who had a fight with off duty police officers in a bar.
Thus is the spanish judicial system. One of the accused is one of their own, a policeman.
menawhile in another case (Altsasu), the prosecutor insists on pressing charges of "Terrorism" against a group of youths who had a fight with off duty police officers in a bar.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
time for you to learn the difference between the charge and the sentence.
I'll try again. See if you understand this:
I'm probably not the only person arguing with you who can claim this but I can speak only for myself. I fought fascism. Not metaphorically 'fought' with pamphlets, demos and so on though that too. With boots, fists, chairs, bottles.
The people I fought said things like:
"Yes, they live here but they're not really English"
"You'd think they'd have learned the language"
"They're loud, noisy, in your face. Not like us"
"They want to impose their culture on us"
"They keep their ties with the places they came from"
You must be able to see why the things you say are such powerful echoes of these people who I helped, in a small way, to clean off the streets like vermin. So that's kind of 'strike 1'
At the same time here in Spain young people who are now my friends were fighting another kind of fascist (well, another facet of the same beast, another head of the same dragon).
I do live in the Spain you describe. It is detestable. However, I also live in the Spain of the people who chased the 'grises' and were chased by them, in something that mattered far more, they would say, than the 1970s/80s UK fight. I respect their view. And they have children and grand-children who haven't turned into the people you describe.
You're right about the awfulness of contemporary Spain. But it's also not the monolith you describe. Strike 2.
Then when you're over-excited you say crass things like
Which would be strike 3 if you really meant it.
You may be thinking "If there are all these politically sound people in Spain why are they being so quiet?"
The answer may be that they don't like the sound of what they are hearing from the likes of you. Because they have heard something very like it before.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Yes, why are "they" being so quiet about the political prisoners, the corrupt judicial system and the erosion of democracy?
It's not because anyone in Catalonia has insulted them. It's more likely to be fear of speaking out in a climate of spanish nationalism, which sooner or later has to deflate, if it hasn't already. The thing is that when Catalonia voted independence it provoked a massive reaction, creating a situation where ordinary people were echoing the slogans of Spanish reaction, ie unity of Spain.
Here is a recent poll in the El periodico. The last two show an important right wing tendency when it comes to freedom of speech, ie, you cannot verbally touch the king or burn the flag.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes, why are "they" being so quiet about the political prisoners, the corrupt judicial system and the erosion of democracy?
It's not because anyone in Catalonia has insulted them. It's more likely to be fear of speaking out in a climate of spanish nationalism, which sooner or later has to deflate, if it hasn't already. The thing is that when Catalonia voted independence it provoked a massive reaction, creating a situation where ordinary people were echoing the slogans of Spanish reaction, ie unity of Spain.
Here is a recent poll in the El periodico. The last two show an important right wing tendency when it comes to freedom of speech, ie, you cannot verbally touch the king or burn the flag.
i see you've come unarmed to a battle of wits
Perhaps, though not really the main thrust of the long post that it was a part of. Do you think the Spanish left might be hearing unpleasant echoes of things like 'raza' that they detested and detest, in the rhetoric of Catalan nationalism? It was nationalists that they were against the last time.
I can't be the only lefty hearing these resonances, just as you can't be the only person banging the gong that produces them.
You may be able to see why stuff like this is as welcome to the left as a fart in a spacesuit:
"La Raza Catalana, an academic book written by two professors and widely taught in Catalonian universities, can be read as a manifesto outlining the superiority of the Catalonian race. The book argues for the existence of a “Catalonaryan” race that has its roots in ancient German tribes and refutes all Latin, African and Semitic elements. The well-known Catalan priest and musician Josep Armengou is quoted in this book. He goes as far as saying that “The Africanism [of Spain] has never been shared in Catalonia which is merely European in its cultural and political roots.” He calls this the “Catalonian differential fact” and goes on to say that “Spain’s current place should not be in the European Union, but in the Arab League. I am saying this with no irony at all.”
The Question of Catalonian Independence: More than a Soccer Game? | NUPR
Most of the article is bollocks, but if what it says about the book is mostly true then you get my point?
"La Raza Catalana, an academic book written by two professors and widely taught in Catalonian universities, can be read as a manifesto outlining the superiority of the Catalonian race. The book argues for the existence of a “Catalonaryan” race that has its roots in ancient German tribes and refutes all Latin, African and Semitic elements. The well-known Catalan priest and musician Josep Armengou is quoted in this book. He goes as far as saying that “The Africanism [of Spain] has never been shared in Catalonia which is merely European in its cultural and political roots.” He calls this the “Catalonian differential fact” and goes on to say that “Spain’s current place should not be in the European Union, but in the Arab League. I am saying this with no irony at all.”
The Question of Catalonian Independence: More than a Soccer Game? | NUPR
Most of the article is bollocks, but if what it says about the book is mostly true then you get my point?
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