Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
What is the lie?
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What is the lie?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
None of which substantiate your absurd claim of repeated anti catalan statements from favelado on this thread. You really are out of control. A proper liability.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That favelado has made repeated anti catalan statements on this thread. This isn't a matter of interpretation. He simply has not.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Check my link to his broad brushed repeated stereotyping and lying.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Never trust an eater of soil.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I read your link. It was utter rubbish in January and it's utter rubbish now.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
So, this repeated bullshit message from Favelado, reinforcing an all encompassing stereotyped myth about catalans despising people from other regions doesn't betray anything to you?
Read them again!!!
Ironic that Catalans consider Andaluces so lazy,
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it's well and truly out there and doesn't take long before it gets spouted out in the street or in a bar. "In Andalusia it's just fiesta and siesta." I heard it from the mouthes of Catalans in so many classes.
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In Catalonia there is a bitterness held by many towards those in the South.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Are you really so drunk on soil that you honestly think the above backs up your ridiculous claim?
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
The above are lies pandered by the spanish mainstream press which Favelado always quotes. There is more solidarity here towards other regions. I have met many many people and bitterness against people from other regions is very very rare. So, to come on this thread and lie while catalans are under attack and suffering police brutality looks like anti-catalan sentiment to me.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
You know what you've done there. I've made my opinion very clear. Cut it up and rearrange it however you like.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Are you saying that I never heard those things said, and then came here to lie? What's my motive? Also, even in the context of the fact that CATALANS DO SAY THOSE THINGS, it is in the context of them generally being decent people and the pro-independence cause being a good one.
My problem is you. A brainwashed, non-Catalan, who sucks up all of the worst of the catalanista movement, and pushes it onto everyone else, with no nuance in any of your views. Worse still you have attacked people born in Catalonia for not being Catalan enough, not just implying but suggesting that they are interlopers who should go home.
Visca Catalunya and fuck you.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
So now you're not only accusing Favelado of making anti-catalan statements, you're claiming that he is deliberately inventing experiences in order to make such statements. Amazing, incredible dishonesty or incredibly stupidity.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Today you say Catalans are generally decent people but previously you attacked me for ridiculous idealization when I made that very same case based on what I was seeing at the time. See your own words from before where you are quite clear that Catalans are not decent people at all but rent with snobbery. As clear as day that.
When you say snobbery of the catalans do you direct that at all Catalans? That's how it reads and has read in nearly a dozen of your posts.
Here are your own words where you clearly deny there are decent people.
Favelado said: "Your ridiculous idealisation of Catalans and Catalunya, as a paradise where "soft, comfortable people" cheer each other on teary-eyed from balconies in the pursuit of of the forthcoming republic. Your total denial of the snobbery that Catalans hold toward people from other regions".
Forgive me for thinking it looks like you believe the Catalans are the aggressors and people from other regions their victims.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Waste of time dealing with you. Go back and read it all. I stand by everything I have said here, both positive and negative. There is a context to all the nice and naughty things I've said about Catalans. You figure it out. The thing you've just quoted above was about you.
Anyway, just down the road from me, The Spanish FA Cup final is on today. Barça supporters are being made to take any yellow T-shirts off, regardless of whether they have political slogans on them, or any words at all on them. Absolutely ridiculous.
Anyway, just down the road from me, The Spanish FA Cup final is on today. Barça supporters are being made to take any yellow T-shirts off, regardless of whether they have political slogans on them, or any words at all on them. Absolutely ridiculous.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Tonite a massive booing of the spanish hymn by Barcelona fans at the cup final in Madrid. The authorities had even installed bigger speakers than last year to try to drown it out. It was directed at the Borbon king.
Video here
[VÍDEO] Així ha estat l’enorme xiulada a Felipe VI i a l’himne espanyol en la final de copa
Video here
[VÍDEO] Així ha estat l’enorme xiulada a Felipe VI i a l’himne espanyol en la final de copa
You are not Catalan.
Sorry to be the one who has to point this out to you, but it is possibly a start to your grounding with reality. It isn't as scary as you may think.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Isn't it just that it is in a brand new stadium with new speakers? Are you suggesting that they've upgraded them after less than a season
There's that thing about 'except for the ones I know' where someone makes a sweeping statement which stereotypes a group of people but qualifies it with 'except for the ones I know':
'All Americans are fat, stupid insular morons without passports who don't speak another language and have a woefully low-brow culture... except for the only ones I have met myself who are all skinny, fit, polyglot, erudite cosmopolitans'
This is slightly different because we have Anudder Oik making generalisations that simply do not tally with the experience and testimony of other Spanish residents. I am perfectly prepared to accept that the sentiments described in the always reliable sources of youtube videos, twitters and the right wing media certainly do exist. But I don't know anybody like that. Perhaps I lead a sheltered life? I don't.
These snippets, which I will grant had a context, don't seem to describe a place that I know first-hand.
And it's worth remembering that while
It strikes me that Anudder Oik rarely hits the mark. We just get told what all Catalans want, with the proviso of who isn't really Catalan, and what all Spanish people think.
'All Americans are fat, stupid insular morons without passports who don't speak another language and have a woefully low-brow culture... except for the only ones I have met myself who are all skinny, fit, polyglot, erudite cosmopolitans'
This is slightly different because we have Anudder Oik making generalisations that simply do not tally with the experience and testimony of other Spanish residents. I am perfectly prepared to accept that the sentiments described in the always reliable sources of youtube videos, twitters and the right wing media certainly do exist. But I don't know anybody like that. Perhaps I lead a sheltered life? I don't.
These snippets, which I will grant had a context, don't seem to describe a place that I know first-hand.
And it's worth remembering that while
is true in Madrid the same could be said by a poster based in Barcelona. If it is fair and non-controversial to say that Catalonia as a whole is at about a consistent 50/50 split then Barna by any reckoning must be non-nationalist.
It strikes me that Anudder Oik rarely hits the mark. We just get told what all Catalans want, with the proviso of who isn't really Catalan, and what all Spanish people think.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Not so incredible when you look at his models for honesty
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Juantwothree, I stand by those statements of mine you have posted. There has been a massive upsurge in anti-independence/catalan sentiment, which helps to divert attention from the real enemy, namely the PP mafia who are running the country down by looting it and eroding democracy.
Where else in the world can you see this sort of thing? Spanish police taking photos of Barcelona fans last night during the booing of the national hymn.
Previous to this they issued a statement on the official Twitter, saying that "the Hymn represents everybody, is a symbol and represents the history of the country . Don't offend the people who are proud of it".
Where else in the world can you see this sort of thing? Spanish police taking photos of Barcelona fans last night during the booing of the national hymn.
Previous to this they issued a statement on the official Twitter, saying that "the Hymn represents everybody, is a symbol and represents the history of the country . Don't offend the people who are proud of it".
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Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Private security single out a man and his son to harrass for the booing that was done by thousands.
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Favelado
J'adore South Shore
A great day today as the evil PP regional president of Madrid (note - not the excellent city mayor) has had to resign after evidence came to light of her nicking creams from a supermarket. She's just spent a month refusing to resign after it was discovered she didn't attend her master's course and had been given the certificate despite not doing the course. Just when it looked like she'd ride it out, this comes out today. Pretty amusing.
Madrid leader resigns over 'theft video'
Madrid leader resigns over 'theft video'
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Personally, I don't think the shoplifting thing is so scandalous, See Winona Rider for example, it's an illness, but fuck Cifuentes anyway. Someone kept that video of her for several years and used it now. Probably someone from her own mafia party.
I believe the fake University master's degree is more serious and is probably a more widespread practice among politicians in the PP. They are a party founded by a minister from Franco's regime, set up with money from Galician drugs cartels and populated by all the descendents of the people who ran the fascist regime. In order to perpetuate their hold on power they will resort to anything, even murder. I can never figure out why they have so many voters/accomplices as they really are the worst.
When you look at the ficticious charges of their judges against the political prisoners it makes you wonder if they studied law at all. Hardly any PP ministers speak a second language.
It's the money you don't see them robbing that counts, thousands of millions every year and the entire state pension fund gone in five years of looting.
I believe the fake University master's degree is more serious and is probably a more widespread practice among politicians in the PP. They are a party founded by a minister from Franco's regime, set up with money from Galician drugs cartels and populated by all the descendents of the people who ran the fascist regime. In order to perpetuate their hold on power they will resort to anything, even murder. I can never figure out why they have so many voters/accomplices as they really are the worst.
When you look at the ficticious charges of their judges against the political prisoners it makes you wonder if they studied law at all. Hardly any PP ministers speak a second language.
It's the money you don't see them robbing that counts, thousands of millions every year and the entire state pension fund gone in five years of looting.
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Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Recent news involves a former electoral candidate for Ciutadans. She was filmed ripping down CDR political prisoner posters from the front of a City hall. She was accompanied by a man with a hammerskin tattoo. A neo nazi. Ciutadans and neo nazis hand in hand.
Una excandidata al Senado de Cs retira lazos amarillos junto a un ultra de los Hammerskin
Ciutadans was set up mainly on an anti-catalan language ticket. They campaing to have catalan removed as the vehicular language in schools and wish to impose spanish in its stead.
There were only three reasons why people in Catalonia voted for them in the 21st of december elections. None of their other policies were on display or even counted. Maximum publicity was given to the following policies:
1. The unity of Spain.
2. The removal of catalan as primary language in schools
3. The creation of a medal for all the spanish police who took part in the brutal police operations during the referendum.
They got over 1 million votes.
Una excandidata al Senado de Cs retira lazos amarillos junto a un ultra de los Hammerskin
Ciutadans was set up mainly on an anti-catalan language ticket. They campaing to have catalan removed as the vehicular language in schools and wish to impose spanish in its stead.
There were only three reasons why people in Catalonia voted for them in the 21st of december elections. None of their other policies were on display or even counted. Maximum publicity was given to the following policies:
1. The unity of Spain.
2. The removal of catalan as primary language in schools
3. The creation of a medal for all the spanish police who took part in the brutal police operations during the referendum.
They got over 1 million votes.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What's the political reason for so many working class catalan voters switching to Ciutadans?
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Emotional and identitarian, they "feel" spanish and have been brought up to believe that Catalonia is Spain. They watch spanish TV channels which are all full on propaganda.
One very nice but naive person I know spoke of not wanting to separate from her cousins in Andalucia, it was an "emotional thing for her". Her family marched with about 4000 others to the local (national) police station to pay homage and thank them for their actions during the referendum. There are entire neighbourhoods where the identity is Castillian and not catalan. They even have a "feria de Abril", which is an Andaluz tradition not a catalan one. The Spanish and Catalans are very different in culture and temperament.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Why would neighbourhoods identifying as Castillian celebrate Andaluz traditions?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Wow. So you - a non-catalan - have decided for these catalans what is the correct identity for them to hold and effectively call them (racial?) sell outs. This is the sort of stuff that i expect is driving some of that massively increasing catalan working class vote for Ciutadans. Or, yet again, they are not even really catalans, never really belonged and certainly will never be part of the true catalonia until they submit, change their views, agree to be quiet or...leave.
You are making an utterly identarian argument here yourself - and one that is on very dodgy ground indeed.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
They have decided for themselves about their identity, based on distant regions, and are quite outspoken about it, even aggressive. I support the right to self determination of the Catalans, their right to break with Spanish domination, and like many many catalan republicans I am not a Catalan nationalist. The bulk of the movement is left wing.
The spanish mentality is colonialist. They are like the unionists in Ireland. There is a sectarian divide. Catalans want to break, Spanish want to "force" them to stay.
The Catalan Independence movement is peaceful.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
If there was a massive rise in the working class catholics voting for unionist parties in northern ireland i wonder what your political response would be - similar to the above? Fuck 'em, they were never really irish anyway, cultural fascists, cleaving to foreign traditions that are disgusting as they're non-irish etc
You'd be laughed out of every serious discussion.
You'd be laughed out of every serious discussion.
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