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[Anudder Oik]

When I lived in the Basque Country identifying the children of central government officials could have led to their parent's deaths. Even now there are families here half a km from the border whose kids say very little when asked 'What do your parents do?". We had to skip questions like these when administering English exams.

This, if it happened as has been suggested, is less serious than that but still a terrible departure from a teacher's responsibility.

Very twisted version here, but the facts speak for themselves, if true:

Los 9 maestros catalanes de la infamia

Got any more extreme right wing sources?

 

[JuanTwoThree]

Got any more extreme right wing sources?

Oh fuck off.

Either a maths/ETA English teacher did show a poster/ETA photo of Guardias, which included parents of students who were present in the class, or he/she didn't. The fact that the article is extremely slanted, which I did say, does not change that.

PS Fuck off again.

 

[Pickman's model]

Got any more extreme right wing sources?

More your line of trade I thought

 

[JuanTwoThree]

PPS

Fuck off a bit more.

 

[Pickman's model]

PPS

Fuck off a bit more.

What have the people there done to deserve that?

 

[Anudder Oik]

Oh fuck off.

Either a maths teacher did show a poster of Guardias, which included parents of students who were present in the class, or he/she didn't. The fact that the article is extremely slanted, which I did say, does not change that.

PS Fuck off again.

So, you believe the version of the police? You give "El Mundo" credence and that's why you link to it?

Like when you linked to Franciso Caja, an extreme right wing fascist spanish nationalist lunatic who is on record for stating that the Independence referendum was nothing short of a Coup d'etat designed to destroy Spain.

I see you retracted a bit, though, as you have with the El Mundo article, but I have yet to see you link to something that isn't pro Españolista.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

So, you believe the version of the police? You give "El Mundo" credence and that's why you link to it?

Like when you linked to Franciso Caja, an extreme right wing fascist spanish nationalist lunatic who is on record for stating that the Independence referendum was nothing short of a Coup d'etat designed to destroy Spain.

I see you retracted a bit, though, as you have with the El Mundo article, but I have yet to see you link to something that isn't pro Españolista.

Oh do fuck off still a bit more. You've appointed yourself as some kind of witch-sniffer on these boards and decided I'm some kind of nationalist of the Spanish variety. Stop making a dick of yourself.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

I said 'if it to be believed' and 'very twisted' from the beginning, there was no retraction.

BTW Fuck off.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Oh fuck off a bit more.

Don't come to a bun fight with a soggy chocolate eclair wrapped in a right wing newspaper.

Your friend Fransico Caja was a guest on the radio programme hosted by the exremist Federico jimenez Losantos, the ghoul who called for bombs to explode in Munich when the german authorities released Puigdemont. Franciso used his air time on the show to call for a mobilization on the the 12th of october, a disgraceful reactionary date in the calendar that translates as "Spanish nationalist day", when government ministers from the PP voice the words to the fascist legion's hymn during the military parade.

I'm sure that as an anti-fascist yourself you will see the shortcomings of your recent links. They are far more suspicious than mine, which are always to create debate and not to prove a point.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

I repeat my previous suggestion, with a slight variation: Go fuck yourself.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

Your friend Fransico Caja

Fuck you. Take that back, cunt.


ETA They have apologised for this. Thanks.

 

[redsquirrel]

So, you believe the version of the police? You give "El Mundo" credence and that's why you link to it?

I'm not sure whether this is stupidity, dishonesty or a bit of both. JTT was absolutely clear that they were in no way commenting on the truth or not of the allegations but rather just correcting you on what the allegations actually are.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Fuck you. Take that back, cunt.

Join the club.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

You just said that a fascist was my friend.

Take it back. Or stay a cunt who can fuck off.

 

[Favelado]

I'm certain that the teachers, knowing that some of their students are sons of Guardia civil from the nearby barracks, did not "Single" them out.

However, if you like, you can give more weight to the version of the Guardia Civil, who, during the process, have invented charges of Terrorism, invented charges of theft of public funds and battered old ladies the day before the debate. Their track record is squeaky clean whereas that of Catalan teachers must be dodgy.

They want to stifle free speech. The charges against the teachers are concocted.

There is a campaign to criminalize the catalan education system and the indepedence movement and you seem to be part of it.

I fucking specifically said it was just accused of and that I wasn't saying it was true, to try and preempt a post like this. What is wrong with you?

 

[JuanTwoThree]

What is wrong with you?

Sir! Sir! I know!

 

[Favelado]

I hope Catalonia gets independence and then kicks him out for being a foreign.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

I hope Anudder Oik isn't sent to Spain then. We've already got our quota of fuckwitted skidmark-weasels.

You know they say that you should sleep on something to get it into proportion. As you can see I've calmed down a lot.

The stupid cunt thinks that if El Mundo says it rained yesterday then it can't have and that if a nasty fascist quotes another one then the latter never said it, and that I'm one for even mentioning the first one as a source.

Presumably they have reached the chapter on intellectual rigour in the 'Ladybird Child's Book of Being a Slack-Jawed Dumb-Arse". And they're following its advice.

All the reasoning power of someone without any.

 

[Anudder Oik]

I will have to learn from your reasoning power and take a totally fake theory from an extreme spanish nationalist and present it as an argument to make a point for why people in Spain are silent about the catalan political prisoners.

The whole of your point being? That catalan nationalism has a nazi strain?

Meanwhile, the dominant spanish nationalism, which is visibly riddled with fascists doesn't even get a mention.

Forgive me if I mistook you for a troll.

I take back the fascist friend jibe.

 

[Anudder Oik]

I fucking specifically said it was just accused of and that I wasn't saying it was true, to try and preempt a post like this. What is wrong with you?

I've re-read it and you have a point. I saw where you said I was dishonest for saying it was about allowing debate, and answered from there.

I am not being dishonest, I am arguing a point and the context is this. There is currently a massive campaign to criminalize the Independence movement, CDR's, etc. One of the things that the spanish nationalists hate the most is the catalan eduaction system. They want to impose spanishness.

The Guardia Civil, who are part of the unhinged apparatus of the spanish state, have so far "invented" charges about rebellion (with violence), looting of public funds and terrorism ( for blocking traffic). All this is being used against hundreds of people all over the territory. I know people who are being investigated by judges just for being outside a polling station.

You rightly identify the charges but in reality it is part of the ideological assault on Catalonia that follows the physical one on the 1st of october.

I take the side of the teachers over the system any day. That is not being dishonest. It is obvious what's going on.

 

[Libertad]

I will have to learn from your reasoning power

Give it a try, you may surprise yourself.

 

[Anudder Oik]

This is a tweet that was made then quickly deleted by the ministry of the interior. It congratulates the Civil Guard for 172 years of service.
Can you spot the dodgy part?

A couple of years ago, they held a large ceremony at my nearest barracks in memory of the blue division.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

catalan nationalism has a nazi strain?

Well done. Yes. Like Welsh nationalism, and I speak as the son of one of the early members of Plaid Cymru, who I voted for when I lived in Wales. Most nationalisms have a murky past.

The main thrust of my quoting Caja was the nasty ethno-fascist catalan nationalist that he quoted in turn. Here it is again:

“The Africanism [of Spain] has never been shared in Catalonia which is merely European in its cultural and political roots.” He calls this the “Catalonian differential fact” and goes on to say that “Spain’s current place should not be in the European Union, but in the Arab League. I am saying this with no irony at all.”

Are you saying that Josep Armengou didn't say this and that Caja made it up?

Josep Armengou i Feliu

Take a look at this page where the exact quote is to be found. It's also another nasty place but are you claiming that Josep Armengou didn't write the book? Or that there was no book? Or that it's not a quote from the book?

As for my never mentioning Spanish nationalism, you can fuck right off all over again:

I do live in the Spain you describe. It is detestable. However, I also live in the Spain of the people who chased the 'grises' and were chased by them, in something that mattered far more, they would say, than the 1970s/80s UK fight. I respect their view. And they have children and grand-children who haven't turned into the people you describe.

amongst others.

I mention it all the time.

You haven't done enough fucking off yet. But thanks for rowing back on the 'friend' bit.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

A couple of years ago, they held a large ceremony at my nearest barracks in memory of the blue division.

The adulation for the Blue Division is always ironic considering how many Reds joined it to get as close to the USSR as possible.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Most nationalisms have a murky past.

The main thrust of my quoting Caja was the nasty ethno-fascist catalan nationalist that he quoted in turn. Here it is again:

Are you saying that Josep Armengou didn't say this and that Caja made it up?

Josep Armengou i Feliu

Take a look at this page where the exact quote is to be found. It's also another nasty place but are you claiming that Josep Armengou didn't write the book? Or that there was no book? Or that it's not a quote from the book?

If you do a detailed search you will discover that the person and his book only ever appear on right wing "Españolista" websites frequented by Mr. Casas. Evidence enough that for the Independence movement he doesn't exist.

Why is he being brought up by them?

 

[Pickman's model]

If you do a detailed search you will discover that the person and his book only ever appear on right wing "Españolista" websites frequented by Mr. Casas. Evidence enough that for the Independence movement he doesn't exist.

Why is he being brought up by them?

Please describe the search you did in detail

 

[JuanTwoThree]

Josep Armengou doesn't exist for the Independence movement?


"El grupo de ERC en el Parlament ha pedido a la Generalitat que edite el Dietario de Mossèn Josep Armengou i Feliu en el plazo de un año, y que promueva la trayectoria del que considera una figura "principal en la configuración del pensamiento catalanista durante la posguera".

ERC pide a la Generalitat la edición del dietario de Josep Armengou en un año

Jordi Pujol wrote in a 1995 prologue:

"Su lectura me produjo una fuerte impresión (...) Es una obra apasionada alejada de las elucubraciones universitarias y de los compromisos de los políticos. Es una obra escrita con una gran visión de futuro, con una firme voluntad de revisar nuestro pasado para entender el presente y construir un futuro mejor"

Mainstream enough? Want more?

 

[JuanTwoThree]

I will have to learn from your reasoning power

Much difficulty you will have, Luke Shitetalker.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Josep Armengou doesn't exist for the Independence movement?


"El grupo de ERC en el Parlament ha pedido a la Generalitat que edite el Dietario de Mossèn Josep Armengou i Feliu en el plazo de un año, y que promueva la trayectoria del que considera una figura "principal en la configuración del pensamiento catalanista durante la posguera".

ERC pide a la Generalitat la edición del dietario de Josep Armengou en un año

Jordi Pujol wrote in a 1995 prologue:

"Su lectura me produjo una fuerte impresión (...) Es una obra apasionada alejada de las elucubraciones universitarias y de los compromisos de los políticos. Es una obra escrita con una gran visión de futuro, con una firme voluntad de revisar nuestro pasado para entender el presente y construir un futuro mejor"

Mainstream enough? Want more?

Interesting, I'm going to ask people about it and it's context to see if anyone I know tries to justify it. I have heard a couple of times the phrase, "Africa starts at the Pyrenees". Said in gest and meant to include Catalonia. It is basically saying that things here are more backward than in the rest of europe.

I must say I have only come across one dodgy catalan nationalist, who I quickly avoided, and that amongst the many dozens of people I have spoken to here, there is no sign of any contempt for spanish people or feeling of superiorty over them. The recurring theme is the desire to get a divorce from the monolithic political apparatus that burdens and holds back progress in Spain. They feel themselves as victims not aggressors.

 

[Pickman's model]

Interesting, I'm going to ask people about it and it's context to see if anyone I know tries to justify it. I have heard a couple of times the phrase, "Africa starts at the Pyrenees". Said in gest and meant to include Catalonia. It is basically saying that things here are more backward than in the rest of europe.

I must say I have only come across one dodgy catalan nationalist, who I quickly avoided, and that amongst the many dozens of people I have spoken to here, there is no sign of any contempt for spanish people or feeling of superiorty over them. The recurring theme is the desire to get a divorce from the monolithic political apparatus that burdens and holds back progress in Spain. They feel themselves as victims not aggressors.

You constantly astonish me with your capacity for excrement