Spanish Political News

[Casually Red]

I think the video in 2740 can be compared quite easily with the orange order provocations carried out through catholic neighbourhoods in Northern Ireland.

More than a few shades of deja vu here too

Irish Democrat Archive : News and comment : News 2001 : The stain of Spain's dirty war

 

[Libertad]

That's nowt compared to the mid 1980s when the "red belt socialists " recruited and sent in the GAL to shoot up and bomb Basque pubs and the like on both sides of the border . More than a bit in common with their unionist contemporaries in this neck of the woods . " Dirty War Clean Hands " is a good read as regards that lot .

They're the cunts who opened up on me and my friend Nicky(RIP) in Saint-Jean-De-Luz.

 

[tim]

That's nowt compared to the mid 1980s when the "red belt socialists " recruited and sent in the GAL to shoot up and bomb Basque pubs and the like on both sides of the border . More than a bit in common with their unionist contemporaries in this neck of the woods . " Dirty War Clean Hands " is a good read as regards that lot .

So GAL was organised not by the Spanish government but by working class socialists from the industrial suburbs and towns around Barcelona.

Odd that only you seem to know this. Surely, you have a duty to tell the world and clear Felipe Gonzalez's namr

 

[Pickman's model]

They're the cunts who opened up on me and my friend Nicky(RIP) in Saint-Jean-De-Luz.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

That's nowt compared to the mid 1980s when the "red belt socialists " recruited and sent in the GAL to shoot up and bomb Basque pubs and the like on both sides of the border .

That's a bombshell, tell us more. With names and so on. I'd have sworn it was the Interior Ministry of Felipe Gonzalez wot did it.

 

[Anudder Oik]

More than a few shades of deja vu here too

Irish Democrat Archive : News and comment : News 2001 : The stain of Spain's dirty war

It shows their true colours. Now they are not just on the fence but fully behind the assault (155) against Catalonia and therefore against democracy. Josep Borrell who was a minister from Gonzalez's time (coinciding with GAL) has also been out taking selfies on the unionist marches which were massively attended by fascists.

Here is a video from french TV where he laughs when he says that the independence movement have exagerated when they describe the government as francoist. He says with a smirk "if it were francismo things would be much worse for them". You can see him willing it.

 

[Anudder Oik]

The parliament in Catalonia met today for the first session after the "imposed elections". The silent majority, so touted on here back in october, failed to appear (you can eat your hats now).

The Independentistas vote grew, they have a majority and it looks like they are going to be naughty and name Puigdemont as president again. It will be symbolic and although I don't agree with him politically, it is the biggest kick in the teeth that can be delivered against the regime of 78 (PP, PPSOE, Ciutadans) and so must be celebrated.

When the spanish flag waving masses will wake up and realise that their hate is misdirected is anybody's guess. Spanish government has just told everyone to take out private pension schemes as they've looted the pension fund. The 17% unemployed have no chance and the number of precarious work contracts far outweighs permanent contracts. 500,000 temporary waiter contracts signed last summer. No future for Spain.

but

"A por ellos oeeee!!!, yo soy Español español español, fucking catalans, it's all their fault"

 

[Anudder Oik]

They're the cunts who opened up on me and my friend Nicky(RIP) in Saint-Jean-De-Luz.

Explain.

 

[Anudder Oik]

who are 'the real enemy'?

Troll.

 

[Pickman's model]

Troll.

Yeh right. Who are 'the real enemy'?

 

[Favelado]

The parliament in Catalonia met today for the first session after the "imposed elections". The silent majority, so touted on here back in october, failed to appear (you can eat your hats now).

What does this mean?

 

[Favelado]

"A por ellos oeeee!!!, yo soy Español español español, fucking catalans, it's all their fault"

No-one in Madrid says this ever. Have you spent much time here?

 

[Libertad]

Explain.

Early evening motorbike machine gun drive by. They threw a grenade into an open first floor window which was a baby's bedroom. Luckily the baby was asleep out in the courtyard. We were all very lucky.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

Being a socialist in Spain and having Felipe's shortcomings pointed out to you is like being told something you already knew about Tony Blair, or Jim Callaghan, or Harold Wilson, or...

I'm far more interested in the assertion that the GAL were organised by socialists and communists in the working-class suburbs of Barcelona. I don't think we'll hear any more about that. Borrell is and was a nasty piece of work but it's a stretch from his Catalanness to say it was the Catalan socialists who organised the GAL.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Whatever.

"Do you know what Golden rain is?

The Myth of Zeus and Danae..., well, in the town of Calella various police officers urinated on the people who were protesting about the acts of brutality.. They spat at them...They pointed a pistol at them from a balcony. They came out in plain clothes to attack neighbours from Calella, 14 injured and various treated in the hospital. You (zoido) have spoken about the interventions in 6 colleges on the 1st of october, I have counted 73 police baton charges. You will clear this up for us now, where were there charges? You can also speak about the manipulation of numbers of police injured, which started with 12 and ended up with 431. Figures from the interior ministry. Please, clear this up because it is important to know if there was violence ... It is a banalization to speak of violence, rebellion and sedition when the only violence there has been was from the police. The process has been exemplary... Mr. minister, you have spoken about the cost, 87 million, but you have to add the cost of the army on manouver in Letonia...which was done to stop Letonia saying anything about the process in Catalonia, 63 million euros... You have more than a thousand injured for nothing, the people voted anyway and the political problem is on the table. You have spent 150 million euros on hitting and humilliating the catalan people and the political problem is still on the table. You can now tell me how you intend to resolve this".



Words spoken in the spanish senate by a basque senator to Zoido, the spanish minister who lied on the BBC and is lying again about the police violence. Apparently, the Catalans were hostile.

Video here
Un senador basc recorda a Zoido com els agents orinaven sobre la gent a Calella l’1-O

 

[Anudder Oik]

The former leader of Podemos in Catalonia, Albano Dante Fachin has written an interesting opinion column "Catalonia will not give up".

No. Catalunya no s’aturarà. Mai

English translation below

Spoiler

Fixed picture: divided society, block policy and eternal tie between indepes and non-indepes. Fortunately, no company is static. It is true that there are times when nothing moves or where the movements are almost imperceptible. But sometimes the story condenses and accelerates. Today, in Catalonia, this acceleration is carried out by a deeply mobilized society, asking questions and willing to fight to make their voices heard. We lived it on 1-O. That day it became clear that trying to curb the movement with decrees, elections and investiture is and will be a failure. Always. Catalonia will not stop.

No doubt there are many people interested in consolidating blocks. On the one hand, we have a few who build a block around the concept of sovereignty in order to shore up their power. A power that, curiously, has been used to sell the sovereignty of Catalans to the highest bidder. With a bit of luck, and by copying their steps, we may start to lose sight of them. On the other, we have others - without militancy, without mayorships, but with broad support from the media clusters of the bank - who want to flag an alleged silent majority based on contempt.

Luckily Catalonia is not like they would want it: while they want to decorate the police that beat people, 81% of Catalans find the violence of the PP, PSOE and Cs and applauded by Felip de Borbón unacceptable. The Catalonia that they want to build does not exist. Finally, block policy is paradoxically reinforced by a certain way of denying them: the neither nor, neither DUI nor 155. Wanting to become referees is to legitamize a game that is impossible to accept. A game in which, on the one hand, we have people fighting peacefully to recover sovereignties and on the other we have imposition, denial of rights and repression. Wanting to be an arbiter is to accept the match. And it is unacceptable.

But no. Catalonia will never stop and the blocks will fall. There is no eternal tie because millions of people have already discovered that the game is knobbled, and the best, most important, is that these people are determined to change the rules of the game at root. While the state, founded on the forgetfulness and imposition of Francisco Franco, tries to survive, people rebel. We would like, and who wouldn't, that people rebel all over the State. At the moment we contribute by starting it in Catalonia. Yes, Mr. Censor: rebellion. Like it or not, be clear that millions of people in Catalonia will resist and will move forward.

At a time when, without a doubt, a new political stage opens, the Republican horizon is a reality that erases any fixed photo, any block. It is a good idea to "widen the base of independentism", to the bearers of supposed "silent majorities" and to the children. The 1-O (1st october) became clear that today in Catalonia there is a profound desire to recover sovereignties, to start them, if necessary, knowing that no sovereignty will be returned to us the versalles way. On the 1-O at the gates of the schools we found indepes, no indepes, federalists, confederalists, people who have voted Podem, ERC, the CUP, Puigdemont or the extinct PSC. Yes, I said "extinct."

And I am also sure that, whatever all those people voted, the yearning of a Catalonia, for example, with a health service free of the parasites of private profit, and with secular and fair public education is mostly shared. I am also sure that the strength of the 1-O is the only one capable of implementing a fairer Catalonia, but more importantly, to make it clear that the struggle here is a gift for Andalusians, Madrid, Extremadura, Galician, Basque , French, Greek, Argentines, Bangladeshi and for a whole world where sovereign thieves are robbing us. In Catalonia we oppose that.

The configuration of the Parliament, the table, the Government. Undoubtedly, a fascinating and important topic. We will be very attentive. But what is important really concerns us and will touch us, we who met on the 1-O. As we defend the ballot boxes, we must defend the social laws that are under assault from the TC (Constitutional court), we must defend the truth against the lies from the cave and we will have to defend the intervening city councils. We have to defend - right there, on block - a republican horizon that struggles to live better, healthier, more worthy and more in control of our destiny. I do not know if this will lead to independence. ... But what we surely have in our hands is a Catalonia that will never stop moving. There is no fixed picture.

Long Live the republic!

 

[Anudder Oik]

A tweet about the vice president Junqueras, who is still in prison accused of sedition and rebellion (a charge which requires violence to have been used).

 

[Anudder Oik]

What does this mean?

Days after the referendum there was talk on here of it being illegal and that a silent majority, seen as an overwhelming anti block, existed. Everyone who didn't vote was counted as anti independence and anti referendum. The elections on the 21st put that to bed. The independence vote actually rose and the silent majority failed to appear as a huge anti block (despite podemos sitting on the fence and adding weight to the anti vote). The indepes now have the majority in the catalan parliament surprise surprise. Friends of mine say it is not a big enough margin but that will change.

Still waiting for the rest of spain to take their turn at confronting the corrupt regime of 78. Maybe they are still distracted.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Here is a video of Catalans who don't want independence. They feel Catalan and spanish. The accents you hear in the video are catalan and the dances are traditional catalan. The language they speak is rural catalan and they shout many viva catalunyas in catalan. I don't know if they arrived here from other regions, it's difficult to tell as any spanishness is too discreet to discern in the video.

The village is in the north of Catalonia near Gerona, which is the independentista heartland.

 

[redsquirrel]

Days after the referendum there was talk on here of it being illegal and that a silent majority, seen as an overwhelming anti block, existed. Everyone who didn't vote was counted as anti independence and anti referendum.

Rubbish, the only person who insisted that there was a strong anti-independence majority was Stanley Edwards. A few people estimated that there probably was not a majority for independence but that it was a close thing.

The elections on the 21st put that to bed. The independence vote actually rose and the silent majority failed to appear as a huge anti block (despite podemos sitting on the fence and adding weight to the anti vote). The indepes now have the majority in the catalan parliament surprise surprise.

They have a majority of seats (as they had before the election) they didn't get a majority of the votes did they, 48% vs 43%, or 48% vs 52% depending on whether you count Podemos as part of the "anti's" or not (something that you don't seem to be able to keep straight for a single post).

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Rubbish, the only person who insisted that there was a strong anti-independence majority was Stanley Edwards. ...

I still stand by that. It is just as strong (if not stronger) than the pro-independence minority of voters.

Fact.

 

[redsquirrel]

I should have said large not strong.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

I should have said large not strong.

I think they are strong enough. The majority of voters. Fact.

 

[Anudder Oik]

I said: Days after the referendum there was talk on here of it being illegal and that a silent majority, seen as an overwhelming anti block, existed.

You reply by saying rubbish, then confirming I was right.

Rubbish, the only person who insisted that there was a strong anti-independence majority was Stanley Edwards. A few people estimated that there probably was not a majority for independence but that it was a close thing.

So, there was talk, it's not rubbish. You need to calibrate.

 

[Anudder Oik]

From a private spanish TV channel. A presenter who says:

"Spain votes for people who rob it? We've heard that thousands of times. I do what I want with my vote and I believe that everyone in this country is aware that they rob us, loads and loads.

but wait, I decide who robs me, and a communist will never rob me, on my watch. I'm really clear about that. I decide who robs me and how they rob me, but a communist, no! Someone who wants to destroy my country and the rule of law will not rob me. The one who robs me should at least be a professional, and he should defend at least half the values I defend".

 

[redsquirrel]

I said: Days after the referendum there was talk on here of it being illegal and that a silent majority, seen as an overwhelming anti block, existed.

You reply by saying rubbish, then confirming I was right.
So, there was talk, it's not rubbish. You need to calibrate.

Right so by "talk" you mean whitterings by a single poster that were discounted by everyone else. As weak your Tim Pool crap.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Spanish government have set in motion a legal extradition process to have Puigdemont arrested today in Denmark where he is due to give a conference at 2 o'clock.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Right so by "talk" you mean whitterings by a single poster that were discounted by everyone else. As weak your Tim Pool crap.

yet another low cost troll poster making this thread about me and suspiciously contributing fuck all to the actual subject of the thread.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Spain is more and more like a "low cost" demoracy with more in common with Ankara
than with Copenhagen or Amsterdam.

 

[planetgeli]

Puigdemont caught giving up?

'This is over': Puigdemont's Catalan independence doubts caught on camera

The ousted Catalan president, Carles Puigdemont, has admitted privately that his attempt to secure regional independence is over and claims he has been sacrificed by his own side, according to messages sent to a colleague and captured by TV cameras.

Sent using the Signal messaging app and written in Catalan, the texts were caught by a TV camera behind Comín and aired by Telecinco’s Ana Rosa programme.

They mention “the last days of republican Catalonia” and suggest the deposed leader is preparing to abandon his attempt to return to office.

“I guess you’ve realised that this is over,” reads one. “Our people have sacrificed us. Or at least me.” It goes on to refer to the pro-independence Catalan MP Joan Tardà, who suggested at the weekend that Puigdemont could step aside to allow another candidate to become president: “You will be ministers (I hope and wish) but I’ve already been sacrificed just like Tardà said.”

Another says “The [Spanish government’s] plan has won,” before expressing the hope that the victory will lead to the release of the four Catalan leaders in prison.

The texts were sent around the same time that Puigdemont issued a defiant message on social media, calling for unity and saying he intended to return to the presidency after last December’s election, in which pro-independence parties held on to their majority in the regional parliament.

Appearing in a video hours after the speaker of the Catalan parliament postponed a debate on the presidential investiture, in which Puigdemont was the only candidate, the former leader said he was intent on resuming office.

He confirmed on Wednesday morning that he had sent the messages, but insisted he was still the best candidate to represent the Catalan people.

“I am a journalist and I have always understood that there are limits, such as privacy, which should never be violated,” he wrote on Twitter. “I am human and I, too, have moments of doubt. I am also the president and I will not fold or back away out of respect for the gratitude I feel towards – and the commitment I have – to the citizens and the nation. Onwards!”

A spokesman for Puigdemont’s Catalan European Democratic party declined to comment on the messages, saying: “We don’t send out WhatsApp [sic] messages, we send out official messages like the one Puigdemont sent last night. That’s what’s important to us.”

Comín’s lawyer told the Catalan radio station RAC1 that while he did “not deny the veracity” of the leaked messages, they had been obtained “in an illegal manner” and would result in legal action against Telecinco.