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[Anudder Oik]

Here is something that reveals what is behind the ciutadans party. (In the third photo the fascist eagle sewn onto the spanish flag at a Falange party meeting.

 

[Anudder Oik]

The following is a video made by a man who lives in Catalonia but speaks with an accent from the south of Spain. It's basically all swear words. he's complaining about the yellow ribbons which are a form of solidarity with the political prisoners and how he is going to "fucking" take them down that night. He speaks loudly, so that the people who are putting them up can hear him. "there they are, the fucking ribbons"

Is he Catalan? Is he fuck.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Another catalan neighbour, speaking in spanish with an accent from central spain, cutting down the solidarity ribbons in his neighbourhood because according to him the people who put them up are subnormal retards and goplistas (part of a coup).

 

[Anudder Oik]

Another catalan speaking in spanish with an accent from south western spain, complaining about the "shit" of the solidarity ribbons. Again, all swear words.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Another video of Catalans, speaking in spanish with regional accents. Here they have organized to take down ribbons in Barcelona.

So, as you can see, many catalans from other regions of Spain , are actively opposing the will of the catalans who are from Catalonia.

Oh, the double think!

Because of the cultural links with spain, many who were born here to spanish parents feel identified more with their parent's culture. Others, perhaps a minority assimilate catalan culture more. Gabriel Rufian is a prime example.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

There is a colonial-like unwillingness among a majority of spanish people who have settled here to accept catalan society as it is and have tried to mold it to something that it isn't.

I lived in a suburb of Vitoria that had a Centro Gallego and Galician shops and bars. The next door suburb was the Andalucian equivalent. So I get it.

But what I don't get is that you seem to want to exclude them from the maths. They're not non-persons, are they? Or would you disenfranchise them? On what basis?

The various referendums mooted in Spain have always had all registered Spanish citizens living in the area as the possible voters. How else would you do it?
As I've said before, some of the people in the autonomies need to decide if they live in a (potential) modern country or some kind of blood-based Native American reservation that a lot of non-natives also happen to live in but aren't really there to the same extent. The latter category would presumably include you and any children you may have.

 

[Anudder Oik]

I lived in a suburb of Vitoria that had a Centro Gallego and Galician shops and bars. The next door suburb was the Andalucian equivalent. So I get it.

But what I don't get is that you seem to want to exclude them from the maths. They're not non-persons, are they? Or would you disenfranchise them? On what basis?

Total strawman argument there. I have never said or even implied that people should be excluded from a vote. Quite the opposite. I spent an entire day defending a polling station on october the 1st where everyone on the electoral register was called to exercise their right to vote. A part of the unionist camp celebrates the violence used to try to stop that referendum.

I do however question the morality of moving somewhere and then actively opposing the historical will of the people there. That for me is an unacceptable colonialst mentality.

 

[DotCommunist]

how many generations do you have to be there before you become one of the people, with their inexorable historical will?

 

[Anudder Oik]

how many generations do you have to be there before you become one of the people, with their inexorable historical will?

Troll.

 

[Pickman's model]

Here is something that reveals what is behind the ciutadans party. (In the third photo the fascist eagle sewn onto the spanish flag at a Falange party meeting.

Your third picture, seems to me it might be photoshopped.

 

[DotCommunist]

Troll.

do you have to marry into a catalan family, so that the children will be of the people? or does that start sounding a bit whack job to you?

 

[Anudder Oik]

365 Videos of the Repression lived in Catalonia by the Spanish Police in the Referendum of October 1, 2017

365 Videos of the Repression lived in Catalonia by the Spanish Police in the Referendum of October 1, 2017

Unionists marching in Barcelona thank the police.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

I must seem obtuse but you put up videos and comment:

Is he Catalan? Is he fuck.

or

Another catalan speaking in spanish with an accent from south western spain

and I can see your point. It is perhaps unfortunate. But first, second and even third generation immigrants to many countries are often like that. Some immigrants import their regrettable attitudes to women and gays to the countries where they settle. Some Spanish people do something similar when they settle in Catalonia. And?

So what are you setting out to do? No-one on this board is unaware of the existence of these reactionary elements in Catalonia. You can't be surprised if we go looking for a sub-text in you telling us what we already know. Over and over again.

It does seem to be "These people are not Catalan enough (to be taken into account?)":

Is he Catalan? Is he fuck.

which sounds like Tebbit's cricket test or some kind of citizenship criterion which would automatically exclude the opposition to Catalonia's aspirations. And countries which say that some of the people who have lived there for generations are not sufficiently integrated or don't have a stake in the place because of their divided loyalties sounds like too many other examples across history and the world, from Athens to Qatar or from the Weimar Republic to Israel.

What are you driving at?

 

[Favelado]

News breaking of a ceiling collapsing in a Madrid nightclub and significant numbers of injuries.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

26 injuries, none serious
www.elmundo.es/madrid/2018/01/14/5a5ac8d546163f8a228b4646.html

Cs pide información sobre el desplome en una discoteca de Carabanchel

 

[Anudder Oik]

Guardiola Speaks.

 

[tim]

Total strawman argument there. I have never said or even implied that people should be excluded from a vote. Quite the opposite. I spent an entire day defending a polling station on october the 1st where everyone on the electoral register was called to exercise their right to vote. A part of the unionist camp celebrates the violence used to try to stop that referendum.

I do however question the morality of moving somewhere and then actively opposing the historical will of the people there. That for me is an unacceptable colonialst mentality.

So they can vote, as long as they vote the eight way, is that it?

 

[Anudder Oik]

What are you driving at?

That someone has to be a special level of cunt to move somewhere and then hate on the local people and cheer on their oppresors.

Unionism is very similar in essence to racism in the southern states of the USA in the earlier part of the 20th century where white working class hated on blacks and maintained an active visceral sectariansim that damaged their own living standards. An afro american in the north earned substantially more than his white contemporary in the south. Why? Was it because it was more advanced industrially in the north or because there was divide and rule in the south, gladly provided by the ignorant racist haters?

Unionists in Catalonia who are predominantly spanish speakers, and therefore not Catalans, have closed political ranks against Catalan independence with the result that the corrupt central government in Madrid are not being opposed, even when they are destroying the country, looting pensions and fucking everyone big time.

Unionism is a reactionary right wing force that feeds off of anti-catalan sentiment. It is a contradiction to feel Catalan and be a unionist in Catalonia. It's whole essence is anti-catalan. Or do you think they want unity for love?

The shit being peddled by trolls here about not catalan enough has no political depth. It is rubbish.

Catalonia is not Spain. unionists in Catalonia have a culturally fascist colonialist mindset.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

Unionists in Catalonia who are predominantly spanish speakers, and therefore not Catalans,

Making Dylan Thomas, and me btw, not Welsh?

It's an odd definition of a nationality. Are you sure? Although all Spanish residents of Catalonia could have voted, the unionists who don't speak it aren't Catalan? I hope the Spanish loyalists who speak Catalan are allowed to be.

 

[tim]

That someone has to be a special level of cunt to move somewhere and then hate on the local people and cheer on their oppresors.

Unionism is very similar in essence to racism in the southern states of the USA in the earlier part of the 20th century where white working class hated on blacks and maintained an active visceral sectariansim that damaged their own living standards. An afro american in the north earned substantially more than his white contemporary in the south. Why? Was it because it was more advanced industrially in the north or because there was divide and rule in the south, gladly provided by the ignorant racist haters?

Unionists in Catalonia who are predominantly spanish speakers, and therefore not Catalans, have closed political ranks against Catalan independence with the result that the corrupt central government in Madrid are not being opposed, even when they are destroying the country, looting pensions and fucking everyone big time.

Unionism is a reactionary right wing force that feeds off of anti-catalan sentiment. It is a contradiction to feel Catalan and be a unionist in Catalonia. It's whole essence is anti-catalan. Or do you think they want unity for love?

The shit being peddled by trolls here about not catalan enough has no political depth. It is rubbish.

Catalonia is not Spain. unionists in Catalonia have a culturally fascist colonialist mindset.

There is no comparison between the racism in the American South before the Civil Rights movement. It's a repulsive comparison trashing and trivialising the experience of African-Americans. Catalans are not being lynched; they are not segregated from the rest of the population; they have the same voting rights; they are not forced to live in poverty.

You accuse all who don't share your views as being Nazis and Fascists, but in reality you are yourself one of the most reactionary posters on thsee boards.


You are a shit!

 

[Favelado]

That someone has to be a special level of cunt to move somewhere and then hate on the local people and cheer on their oppresors.

Unionism is very similar in essence to racism in the southern states of the USA in the earlier part of the 20th century where white working class hated on blacks and maintained an active visceral sectariansim that damaged their own living standards. An afro american in the north earned substantially more than his white contemporary in the south. Why? Was it because it was more advanced industrially in the north or because there was divide and rule in the south, gladly provided by the ignorant racist haters?

Unionists in Catalonia who are predominantly spanish speakers, and therefore not Catalans, have closed political ranks against Catalan independence with the result that the corrupt central government in Madrid are not being opposed, even when they are destroying the country, looting pensions and fucking everyone big time.

Unionism is a reactionary right wing force that feeds off of anti-catalan sentiment. It is a contradiction to feel Catalan and be a unionist in Catalonia. It's whole essence is anti-catalan. Or do you think they want unity for love?

The shit being peddled by trolls here about not catalan enough has no political depth. It is rubbish.

Catalonia is not Spain. unionists in Catalonia have a culturally fascist colonialist mindset.

Here it is then. The proof. Factually nonsense and hateful. Fuck you.

 

[redsquirrel]

That someone has to be a special level of cunt to move somewhere and then hate on the local people and cheer on their oppresors.

Unionism is very similar in essence to racism in the southern states of the USA in the earlier part of the 20th century where white working class hated on blacks and maintained an active visceral sectariansim that damaged their own living standards. An afro american in the north earned substantially more than his white contemporary in the south. Why? Was it because it was more advanced industrially in the north or because there was divide and rule in the south, gladly provided by the ignorant racist haters?

Unionists in Catalonia who are predominantly spanish speakers, and therefore not Catalans, have closed political ranks against Catalan independence with the result that the corrupt central government in Madrid are not being opposed, even when they are destroying the country, looting pensions and fucking everyone big time.

Unionism is a reactionary right wing force that feeds off of anti-catalan sentiment. It is a contradiction to feel Catalan and be a unionist in Catalonia. It's whole essence is anti-catalan. Or do you think they want unity for love?

The shit being peddled by trolls here about not catalan enough has no political depth. It is rubbish.

Catalonia is not Spain. unionists in Catalonia have a culturally fascist colonialist mindset.

What tim and Faveldao said. Moronic, mad, nasty, culturally nationalist shite.

 

[butchersapron]

There's more than a hint of ginger jihadi in it.

 

[Pickman's model]

That someone has to be a special level of cunt to move somewhere and then hate on the local people and cheer on their oppresors.

Unionism is very similar in essence to racism in the southern states of the USA in the earlier part of the 20th century where white working class hated on blacks and maintained an active visceral sectariansim that damaged their own living standards. An afro american in the north earned substantially more than his white contemporary in the south. Why? Was it because it was more advanced industrially in the north or because there was divide and rule in the south, gladly provided by the ignorant racist haters?

Unionists in Catalonia who are predominantly spanish speakers, and therefore not Catalans, have closed political ranks against Catalan independence with the result that the corrupt central government in Madrid are not being opposed, even when they are destroying the country, looting pensions and fucking everyone big time.

Unionism is a reactionary right wing force that feeds off of anti-catalan sentiment. It is a contradiction to feel Catalan and be a unionist in Catalonia. It's whole essence is anti-catalan. Or do you think they want unity for love?

The shit being peddled by trolls here about not catalan enough has no political depth. It is rubbish.

Catalonia is not Spain. unionists in Catalonia have a culturally fascist colonialist mindset.

You fucking muppet.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

Choosing my words very carefully here, though Christ knows why.

It's massively insulting to the Spanish-speaking socialists of the red-belt suburbs, who spent their youth fighting one type of fascism. Now it seems that they are up against two kinds: one the old fascism that never went away. The other has decided that they are not Catalans.

"Coming over here, not adapting, keeping their language and customs. They don't get what it is to be German/British/ Spanish/Catalan"

There are many satalite towns where the locals reject catalan culture and use spanish as the main language spoken. Instead of the human castle tradition you will find Flamenco dancing and the "Feria de abril". The equivalent would be Morris dancing clubs in Aberdeen run by people who are uninterested or even hostile to anything cultural that was actually developed in Scotland by its original people.

You imagine that said, changing very few of the words, about Hounslow, or Tower Hamlets, or Tiger Bay, or Brixton. Or Corby, or Miami, anywhere in the Gulf. Or any city in Europe in the 30s or the 80s.

Read your words again because people here who know exactly what fascism sounds and smells like (and have fought it in our streets) are hearing it and catching more than a whiff of it every time you open your mouth on this thread. I am far too polite to think that, but only for the moment. I am hoping that you are too caught up in the zeitgeist, and have been listening uncritically to very persuasive people around you.

Listen to yourself and think. You are not being condemned from all sides because we support the fascistic enemies of Catalonia, but because you sound just like them.

 

[Pickman's model]

There is no comparison between the racism in the American South before the Civil Rights movement. It's a repulsive comparison trashing and trivialising the experience of African-Americans. Catalans are not being lynched; they are not segregated from the rest of the population; they have the same voting rights; they are not forced to live in poverty.

You accuse all who don't share your views as being Nazis and Fascists, but in reality you are yourself one of the most reactionary posters on thsee boards.


You are a shit!

You're very restrained today

 

[Pickman's model]

Anudder Oik it is better to keep quiet and have people believe you a fucking muppet with all the nous of a backward slug than post up something which not only confirms that belief but also shows you to be ignorant too.

 

[Anudder Oik]

So, what do you think of the spanish unionists?

 

[Anudder Oik]

Choosing my words very carefully here, though Christ knows why.

It's massively insulting to the Spanish-speaking socialists of the red-belt suburbs,

You're not choosing words carefully, you're waffling about Hounslow, which has no comparison.

What you should be more concerned about, if you had the slightest clue to what is going on here, should be, Why the Spanish-speaking socialists of the red-belt suburbs are taking selfies with the extreme right anti catalan parties.

 

[butchersapron]