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[Favelado]

So, what do you think of the spanish unionists?

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks because you won't listen and you've made your mind up about everything.

Spanish unionists are not just the extreme elements you post about. There are Catalans from entirely Catalan families who either feel on the fence or somewhat unionist. You'll deny it - you've never seen it - not in my experience guv, but anyone else on here who has links to Spain will know Catalans like that.

 

[Anudder Oik]

You are not being condemned from all sides because we support the fascistic enemies of Catalonia, but because you sound just like them.

What? for criticizing bigotted right wing culturally fascistic attitudes within spanish nationalism? For pointing out their aggressive colonialist attitudes. Watch the videos I posted and deny it.

I live here. I am a witness to it all. I don't think you or any of the last 5 posters have a clue. I say 5 posters but it's probably less, definitely some on here with duplicate accounts and as for anti-fascist, it doesn't wash.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Got any more links to dodgy articles accusing catalans of being fascists? What was his name? Rabioso?

 

[butchersapron]

Got any more links to dodgy articles accusing catalans of being fascists? What was his name? Rabioso?

I haven't got anything like that no. I've never posted anything like that. There is one person here accusing people of being fascists based on where they come from.

 

[Anudder Oik]

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks because you won't listen and you've made your mind up about everything.

Spanish unionists are not just the extreme elements you post about. There are Catalans from entirely Catalan families who either feel on the fence or somewhat unionist. You'll deny it - you've never seen it - not in my experience guv, but anyone else on here who has links to Spain will know Catalans like that.

You only seem to know catalans as people to continually stereotype and slag off.

 

[Favelado]

What? for criticizing bigotted right wing culturally fascistic attitudes within spanish nationalism? For oinytting out their aggressive colonialist attitudes. Watch the videos I posted and deny it.

I live here. I am a witness to it all. I don't think you or any of the last 5 posters have a clue. I say 5 posters but it's probably less, definitely some on here with duplicate accounts and as for anti-fascist, it doesn't wash.

I've lived in Catalonia too, and you are wrong. My entirely Catalan flatmates in Barcelona didn't want independence, whereas as one of my close friends did. It really depended on a number of things. Over here, my physiotherapist is madrileño and has no links at all to Catalonia, but gave his baby daughter a Catalan name because he thought it was beautiful. Presumably, the child will not be murdered at school by classmates. You know nothing about Spain or anything outside your bubble.

 

[Anudder Oik]

I haven't got anything like that no. I've never posted anything like that. There is one person here accusing people of being fascists based on where they come from.

No, it's based on observation and understanding of what the bulk of the unionist pro spanish anti catalan culturally fascist movement represents.

 

[Favelado]

You only seem to know catalans as people to continually stereotype and slag off.

I said one or two unkind things based on my experiences. Sorry but Catalans are like everyone else. Good in some ways, flawed in others. I've lots of nice things to say about them too.

 

[Favelado]

No, it's based on observation and understanding of what the bulk of the unionist pro spanish anti catalan culturally fascist movement represents.

What about the genetically Catalan people (seeing as this is the territory you've pushed us into) who vote for unionism. Are you saying they don't exist?

Don't you think there's something wrong when you've managed to elicit disgust out of what is a good cause? Might there be a problem with your beliefs?

 

[Anudder Oik]

Todays lesson is about spanish unionists. Lesson one. Watch the fucking video. (Minute 18.27). A man wearing a spanish hat says, in a southern spanish accent: "I believe that we, the spanish, have defeated independence". Plenty of fascist symbols and slogans in there ,too. But hey, on Urban that's OK, they have their rights, describing them as not catalan isn't cool, even if that is the reality.

It's unacceptable and the left would not be obsessively and continually defending "their" rights over those who want to liberate themselves from the regime of 78 and have placed themselves in the vanguard of that struggle, while the rest of Spain fails to mobilize against what is europes most stinking and corrupt government, but then again there are only trolls on these boards.

Visca la Republica!

 

[Favelado]

Yeah post another video.

 

[Pickman's model]

So, what do you think of the spanish unionists?

from what you've posted they don't sound a nice lot at all. but then again i'd be unwilling to offer a judgment based solely on your partial evidence. i don't believe your characterisation of spanish unionism as analogous to white working class racism in the southern united states in the early twentieth century advances understanding of the political views of twenty-first century spain that you so abhor. let's not forget, for example, that the southern united states had a history of desiring independence from the union: did you know they fought a war about it, which was nearer in the past to the early c20 than the spanish civil war is today?

in the past i and other people have attempted - with sadly uniform failure - to attempt to convey complex ideas to you as simply as possible. with posts like your 2718 you demonstrate that you don't understand the phenomena you despise - your comparison to the american south of about 100 years ago clearly shows this. is spanish unionism a white working class belief, solely the political property of the far right? or is it, as i suspect, a view held by many spaniards of all political hues, with varying degrees of adherence? is it something which means many different things to many different people rather than one precise thing, linked to the radical and far right?

i don't know why you've seized the position of arbiter of who is catalan and who is not. you're most certainly not, by any reasonable understanding of the term. you're something of an enthusiast, but an enthustiast whose political literacy has long been a subject of inquiry. after tim pool, i wouldn't trust your assertion it was monday without checking a calendar, far less trust the posts you've made about the spanish unionists and the uncatalans.

 

[Anudder Oik]

from what you've posted they don't sound a nice lot at all. but then again i'd be unwilling to offer a judgment based solely on your partial evidence. i don't believe your characterisation of spanish unionism as analogous to white working class racism in the southern united states in the early twentieth century advances understanding of the political views of twenty-first century spain that you so abhor. let's not forget, for example, that the southern united states had a history of desiring independence from the union: did you know they fought a war about it, which was nearer in the past to the early c20 than the spanish civil war is today?

in the past i and other people have attempted - with sadly uniform failure - to attempt to convey complex ideas to you as simply as possible. with posts like your 2718 you demonstrate that you don't understand the phenomena you despise - your comparison to the american south of about 100 years ago clearly shows this. is spanish unionism a white working class belief, solely the political property of the far right? or is it, as i suspect, a view held by many spaniards of all political hues, with varying degrees of adherence? is it something which means many different things to many different people rather than one precise thing, linked to the radical and far right?

i don't know why you've seized the position of arbiter of who is catalan and who is not. you're most certainly not, by any reasonable understanding of the term. you're something of an enthusiast, but an enthustiast whose political literacy has long been a subject of inquiry. after tim pool, i wouldn't trust your assertion it was monday without checking a calendar, far less trust the posts you've made about the spanish unionists and the uncatalans.

It's monday and I see a serious post that deserves an answer. It's me who is in disbelief.

Spanish unionism groups all classes as does the Catalan independence movement, However, can you explain the role of left wing unionism in Spain/Catalonia in the context of the current crisis? What is it good for? Why are they allied with the extreme right and the spanish state, while failing to mobilize against injustice, corruption and assaults on standards of living?

 

[Pickman's model]

It's monday and I see a serious post that deserves an answer. It's me who is in disbelief.

Spanish unionism groups all classes as does the Catalan independence movement, However, can you explain the role of left wing unionism in Spain/Catalonia in the context of the current crisis? What is it good for? Why are they allied with the extreme right and the spanish state, while failing to mobilize against injustice, corruption and assaults on standards of living?

yeh. i didn't think you'd be able to offer a decent response to my questions.

 

[Anudder Oik]

is spanish unionism a white working class belief, solely the political property of the far right? or is it, as i suspect, a view held by many spaniards of all political hues, with varying degrees of adherence? is it something which means many different things to many different people rather than one precise thing, linked to the radical and far right?

This is your question.
It is not purely a working class belief, it allies working class, lumpen, the rich, and the spanish state against catalan aspirations for independence while strengthening the right. It serves as an opium to distract attention from the real enemy, as did racism in the southern states. It provides the spanish state with unquestioning and aggressive adherents to divide and rule.

The other political hues you mention have got some explaining to do because their position strengthens the undemocratic right in Spain, closing ranks to defend the status quo.

What else can unionism mean to people? Emotional ties with other regions?

Can you explain the logic of left wing unionism in the context of this struggle against the regime of 78 with it's mass corruption, destruction of jobs, blocking of all progressive laws in Catalonia via the courts, looting of the pensions system and the non separation of the judicial system with the interests of certain political parties?

 

[Anudder Oik]

I think the video in 2740 can be compared quite easily with the orange order provocations carried out through catholic neighbourhoods in Northern Ireland.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is your question.
It is not purely a working class belief, it allies working class, lumpen, the rich, and the spanish state against catalan aspirations for independence while strengthening the right. It serves as an opium to distract attention from the real enemy, as did racism in the southern states. It provides the spanish state with unquestioning and aggressive adherents to divide and rule.

The other political hues you mention have got some explaining to do because their position strengthens the undemocratic right in Spain, closing ranks to defend the status quo.

What else can unionism mean to people? Emotional ties with other regions?

Can you explain the logic of left wing unionism in the context of this struggle against the regime of 78 with it's mass corruption, destruction of jobs, blocking of all progressive laws in Catalonia via the courts, looting of the pensions system and the non separation of the judicial system with the interests of certain political parties?

who are 'the real enemy'?

 

[Anudder Oik]

in the past i and other people have attempted - with sadly uniform failure - to attempt to convey complex ideas to you as simply as possible.

I've seen a lot of hearsay, trolling and insults and very little if any political reasoning. In fact, most of it avoids political debate and attacks me, as if that were more important than arguing a point of view. Very shit and low level really.

with posts like your 2718 you demonstrate that you don't understand the phenomena you despise - your comparison to the american south of about 100 years ago clearly shows this.

My post 2718 speaks of divide and rule, which is very clearly the case here, as it was in the deep south back then, as it was in Northern Ireland. What is there to not understand about that post? It would take a deliberate attempt to not understand it.

Again, I ask you.

What is the nature of left wing unionism in Spain?

 

[Anudder Oik]

who are 'the real enemy'?

Why don't you ask the unionists? They are after all the ones who oppose the only real threat to the spanish state.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why don't you ask the unionists? They are after all the ones who oppose the only real threat to the spanish state.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've seen a lot of hearsay, trolling and insults and very little if any political reasoning. In fact, most of it avoids political debate and attacks me, as if that were more important than arguing a point of view. Very shit and low level really.



My post 2718 speaks of divide and rule, which is very clearly the case here, as it was in the deep south back then, as it was in Northern Ireland. What is there to not understand about that post? It would take a deliberate attempt to not understand it.

Again, I ask you.

What is the nature of left wing unionism in Spain?

Go on, once more - this time with feeling

 

[Anudder Oik]

 

[Pickman's model]

This is your question.
It is not purely a working class belief, it allies working class, lumpen, the rich, and the spanish state against catalan aspirations for independence while strengthening the right. It serves as an opium to distract attention from the real enemy, as did racism in the southern states. It provides the spanish state with unquestioning and aggressive adherents to divide and rule.

The other political hues you mention have got some explaining to do because their position strengthens the undemocratic right in Spain, closing ranks to defend the status quo.

What else can unionism mean to people? Emotional ties with other regions?

Can you explain the logic of left wing unionism in the context of this struggle against the regime of 78 with it's mass corruption, destruction of jobs, blocking of all progressive laws in Catalonia via the courts, looting of the pensions system and the non separation of the judicial system with the interests of certain political parties?

what left wing unionism's this?

 

[Pickman's model]

I've seen a lot of hearsay, trolling and insults and very little if any political reasoning. In fact, most of it avoids political debate and attacks me, as if that were more important than arguing a point of view. Very shit and low level really.



My post 2718 speaks of divide and rule, which is very clearly the case here, as it was in the deep south back then, as it was in Northern Ireland. What is there to not understand about that post? It would take a deliberate attempt to not understand it.

Again, I ask you.

What is the nature of left wing unionism in Spain?

No, that's a different question. You asked before 'can you explain the logic...'

Even you must be able to see the difference

 

[Favelado]

Spanish news is full of the Tabarnia (semi?) satire today. In which, anti-independence Catalans use the same arguments that Catalonia uses against Spain to say that Barcelona and Tarragona should be able to form their own new autonomous community, while the rest of Catalonia secedes.

Obviously Spanish press love it because it allows them to ridicule Catalan nationalism. Their spokesman has a Catalanissim name, he's not an Andaluz interloper, but I don't know if it's just healthy Mongolia style anti-nationalism, or there are some nefarious forces behind it. However, it does strike out at populism, include sentiments such as "love your neighbour", and make for a fun watch.

AO shouldn't watch it as he may actually suffer a stroke.

Check it out in the El Periodico link below.


El vídeo 'oficial' de Tagarina

edit to add - a friend in barcelona says it's run by Ciutadans - so it is from the bell ends then. Apologies to all - including AO.

 

[Pickman's model]

Apologies to all - including AO.

that shows a nice spirit

 

[tim]

I live here. I am a witness to it all. I don't think you or any of the last 5 posters have a clue. I say 5 posters but it's probably less, definitely some on here with duplicate accounts and as for anti-fascist, it doesn't wash.

And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name isLegion: for we are many.

 

[Pickman's model]

catalan parliament meets Catalan parliament meets as sacked leader seeks comeback

 

[Pickman's model]

I live here. I am a witness to it all. I don't think you or any of the last 5 posters have a clue. I say 5 posters but it's probably less, definitely some on here with duplicate accounts and as for anti-fascist, it doesn't wash.

i don't think anyone's accused you of being anti-fascist

 

[Casually Red]

You're not choosing words carefully, you're waffling about Hounslow, which has no comparison.

What you should be more concerned about, if you had the slightest clue to what is going on here, should be, Why the Spanish-speaking socialists of the red-belt suburbs are taking selfies with the extreme right anti catalan parties.

That's nowt compared to the mid 1980s when the "red belt socialists " recruited and sent in the GAL to shoot up and bomb Basque pubs and the like on both sides of the border . More than a bit in common with their unionist contemporaries in this neck of the woods . " Dirty War Clean Hands " is a good read as regards that lot .