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sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but it looks like some of the Catalan ex ministers have been jailed
Catalan protest as Spain jails ex-ministers
Catalan protest as Spain jails ex-ministers
Yep. All under the rule of corporates like all other media now. A real shame - it was the last powerful voice for the balance among the printed media.
I see Pablo Iglesias is calling for an "alternative government" in the December election. He really can't lose here by remaining relatively quiet. Uniting all the left wing parties in Catalunya could well work. Remain within the Union with more autonomy to appease the separatists (a small move closer to independence), and keep unionists happy at the same time. Timing will be everything. I suspect by vote day almost everyone will be sick of the uncertainty, and threats of more violence, or instability. Very easy for PODEMOS to take a big lead here and be seen by many all over Spain as a very realistic moderate left solution. Everyone else is damaging themselves whilst Pablo prudently edges his way to the forefront. Shame El Pais are no longer there to voice his view in a fair way. Although, I think the internet is probably big enough itself today.
I would really like to see him make a stand for the release of all political prisoners before the election, but that would be a huge risk. He's probably talking to Puigdemont right now. PODEMOS are potentially in a very strong position here.
amazing how momentum and political advantage keeps swinging back and forth. a few days ago it felt like game over, but Rajoy has now managed to set things up very nicely for the independence movement now. an election in 7 weeks with political leaders and candidates sitting in jail. Rajoy cannot be a student of 'the troubles'. meanwhile Puigdemont may finally, finally, have forced Brussels, if not quite the EU, into choosing overt complicity or not.
the latest apparent efforts to ban the CUP from standing in December's elections suggest Rajoy is now concerned how that election could play out. presumably the gamble is their voters would then boycott the election - which would be a fatal error.
the latest apparent efforts to ban the CUP from standing in December's elections suggest Rajoy is now concerned how that election could play out. presumably the gamble is their voters would then boycott the election - which would be a fatal error.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
I have heard irritation about Catalans here. Dislike for them too.There is jingoism and nationalism. But real hatred? Just not true for 99% of people here.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Google is not helping me with this.
Genuine question my bollocks.
After all that Anudder Oik has posted on this thread, it was (yet another) attempt to portray this in black & white/ One Side's As Bad As The Other terms. Heap of shite and you know it.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Catalán pro-independence movement not as bad as Spanish state actions. I'm very clear on that. Anudder Oik is a Catalán propagandist but even if he is, it's a relatively small sin in context.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what search terms are you using?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I haven't seen anything about the CUP being banned. Only they might boycott the elections.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh he's confused
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
They would be fools to boicot the election even though it is an imposed colonialist one. The election, as is, can be used in favour of the indepes who are reported to have grown to 48% (calculate the abstention and you have a win). I'm not sure it was Rajoy's idea to do elections, after all he rejected the ones proposed by Puigdemont and that led to the "fake" declaration of independence. Sounds more like pressure from europe. I think that the CUP's initial reaction was a typical knee jerk reflex but I think they will come round to seeing the benefits of participating in the election.
The attempt to ban the CUP was brought about by an extreme right wing group called Vox. I read it has been rejected by a judge, today.
Puigdemont has declared that he is prepared to stand as a candidate.
Photo from one of the hundreds, if not thousands of protests tonite. I am in there somewhere.
Milers de persones tornen a concentrar-se contra l’empresonament de mig govern
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DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
So...unless I've got it wrong.
Since 1932 every leader of Catalunya has been jailed, charged, killed or exiled.
The Francoists changed the constitution so none of the states could leave.
It is/was illegal for Catalunyans to use Catalunyan names, documents would be taken and the names changed to Spanish.
Voters were assaulted by state police when going to vote, many boxes of votes were taken by them. Apparently this is ok with lots of people.
Their elected leaders are being jailed, their police are being neutralised, their media attacked.
The law was changed to stop them spending their own money on the vote.
Newspapers were ordered not to report the vote.
Hundreds of mayors were taken in and threatened with charges of sedition.
The Garda Civil, the state police, are pretty much paramilitary.
And no-one is helping.
Since 1932 every leader of Catalunya has been jailed, charged, killed or exiled.
The Francoists changed the constitution so none of the states could leave.
It is/was illegal for Catalunyans to use Catalunyan names, documents would be taken and the names changed to Spanish.
Voters were assaulted by state police when going to vote, many boxes of votes were taken by them. Apparently this is ok with lots of people.
Their elected leaders are being jailed, their police are being neutralised, their media attacked.
The law was changed to stop them spending their own money on the vote.
Newspapers were ordered not to report the vote.
Hundreds of mayors were taken in and threatened with charges of sedition.
The Garda Civil, the state police, are pretty much paramilitary.
And no-one is helping.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
perhaps, stanley, you could correct poor dextertcn in some more detail
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Start at the start.
"Since 1932 every leader of Catalunya has been jailed, charged, killed or exiled."
Refer to this: List of Presidents of the Parliament of Catalonia - Wikipedia
I don't think any of the last Five Presidents at least were jailed, charged, killed or exiled. Not sure about the others, and I suppose it depends on who you consider to be leader.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Pujol probably deserved at least one of the three.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
As long as the concept of 'all' is agreed....go on.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Were they coming from their own officers?
Much of the ruling parties actions so far have been very undemocratic. However, the referendum itself was hardly democratic either.
If the elections in December bring a party into power who ultimately support independence, then I would guess a full, legal and properly regulated referendum will take place after the full effects of independence have been fully considered and discussed by those for, and those against. People still have to remember there are always going to be Two sides to this.
Personally, I still suspect Madrid would sooner let Catalunya have independence, but they really don't want to be seen to grant it so easily.
That is the best I can answer - I will fully admit I am no expert on Spanish political history, or even politics today. Neither are 99% of the population of Spain.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
No. Spanish Guardia Civil .
Primera denuncia ante la Fiscalía para la ilegalización de la CUP
its only a private individual pursuing this at the moment though. i kinda got misled by twitter folk on this one tbh. (did say 'apparent' attempts as i was not 100%).
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Sorry I meant my other points.
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