Spanish Political News

[Poi E]

Some kind of medium term move to a more federal system perhaps.

In 2010 the Constitional Court struck down parts of the 2006 autonomy statute, saying that Catalonia should not be a nation within Spain. The rigidity of the constitution is central to the issue. Spain is not suffering just a secessionist movement but also a constitutional crisis. I can’t see the government bending.

 

[Anudder Oik]

In 2010 the Constitional Court struck down parts of the 2006 autonomy statute, saying that Catalonia should not be a nation within Spain. The rigidity of the constitution is central to the issue. Spain is not suffering just a secessionist movement but also a constitutional crisis. I can’t see the government bending.

Bear in mind that the constitution was drawn up at the beginning of the transition just after franco died. People were desperate to obtain democracy and fascists were still murdering people in the streets. It was a constitution voted under duress and is out of date. The people who most quote the constitution to push through their anti-democratic practices are the people who least respect it, the proud arrogant grandchildren of franco's generals.

The constitution also says that every man and woman has a right to a house and a job, but what the fuck...

 

[Anudder Oik]

What will be interesting is what 'third option' the state dangles before, during and after the December election.

I mean, they may not, not too willingly anyway. But if pro-indie parties get a clear majority they will be forced into something. Some kind of medium term move to a more federal system perhaps.

What's the mood like on the street etc with Puigdemont mucking around in Brussels btw Anudder Oik? I'm wondering whether he could come out of this with a strong bargaining position or shipped back in chains. At the moment it seems all a bit dependent on the various factions of the Belgian government!

I don't think there is a third option, In spain now you are either with the anti-democratic PP and their repression or the people who are resisting them. There is no bridge between, just a few fools standing confused in the middle of the river while everyone else is for or against. Puigdemont is seen in a good light here, he has done the right thing. The anti-capitalist CUP have described his speech last tuesday as dignified but have questions for him regarding the Republic. They are unhappy about his doing things behind closed doors. Another criticism is that not enough was done to prepare the new state beforehand.

Another criticism is that there should have been resistance on the streets last monday, with hundreds of thousands stopping any attempt by spain to stop Puigdemont and the catalan government from going to work and making decrees. They talk about tractors and slow marches stopping the police. Others think this scenario would have ended in people being killed. I don't know what to think about that. The EU burocracy are looking the other way but have warned Rajoy not to use more violence, hence the imposed "colonialist" elections, which must surely return a much larger independentista majority.

I was at a rally tonite in front of my town hall. People were emotional and angry, some with tears in their eyes. The speakers spoke of the transparency of the street movement (veiled criticism of Puigdemont) and about keeping calm and not rising to the provocation and working unified to win the elections.

The PP and their politicised judges, who take up to 8 years to call the corrupt to trial and then let them off, has made yet another mistake.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Excellent tweet from Gabriel Rufian. Centre left independentista and troublemaker in the spanish parliament.

It's not that they lack education, it's that they have too much fascism.



Ada Colau (very left wing mayoress of Barcelona and not an independetista)

"Black day for Catalunya, The democratically elected government at the urns is in prison. We need a a common front to free the political prisoners".



Actually, she's just added to that statement a minute ago. She's describing the imprisonment of the catalan elected government as a massive error which is leading us to authoritarianism.

 

[Anudder Oik]

The catalan government representatives were give 24 hours to appear in court in Madrid, then they were imprisoned without bail, all except one (Vila), who unsurprisingly has the potential to cause a split in the independentista vote, so has obviously been favoured as he is useful to the spanish state.

Meanwhile;

Members of the PP and royal family accused of corruption who had to wait 8 years for a trial and were given bail, aquitted, etc, and are now walking free, enjoying holidays and the money they stole.

 

[Anudder Oik]

From El publico, left wing newspaper.

An article about how judges have stopped the renaming of streets which still have fascist names. Where else in europe can you find such street names?

Un juzgado paralizará el cambio de las calles franquistas en Madrid si la Fundación Franco paga 60.000 euros

I shit you not "The fallen of the blue division street".

 

[Anudder Oik]

 

[Favelado]

From El publico, left wing newspaper.

An article about how judges have stopped the renaming of streets which still have fascist names. Where else in europe can you find such street names?

Un juzgado paralizará el cambio de las calles franquistas en Madrid si la Fundación Franco paga 60.000 euros

I shit you not "The fallen of the blue division street".

From El publico, left wing newspaper.

An article about how judges have stopped the renaming of streets which still have fascist names. Where else in europe can you find such street names?

Un juzgado paralizará el cambio de las calles franquistas en Madrid si la Fundación Franco paga 60.000 euros

I shit you not "The fallen of the blue division street".

The story says that the group behind this can't afford to pay the 60000 euros the court has insisted on, presumably they know it's too much for them to pay. Our excellent mayor is well underway in her plan to rid us of these street names and I imagine it will be finished as planned. So, not sure you've not spun this a bit.

 

[Anudder Oik]

The story says that the group behind this can't afford to pay the 60000 euros the court has insisted on, presumably they know it's too much for them to pay. Our excellent mayor is well underway in her plan to rid us of these street names and I imagine it will be finished as planned. So, not sure you've not spun this a bit.

Not sure you've spun this a bit? Those street names? This is 2000 and fucking 17, we are in the 21st century. Fuck the fuckin fuck. Blue division?

And why order prison in the first place? Who goes to prison nowadays? criminals? The corrupt? If real criminals went to prison on 24 hours notice there would be no government in Spain.

The fact is, unlike any other accused in Spain, they were given 24 hours notice to appear in court. Are you smirking at that? Do you think it's their fault?

What is it? Conspiracy to be jailed?

 

[Anudder Oik]

Spain has a problem.

 

[Favelado]

Not sure you've spun this a bit? Those street names? This is 2000 and fucking 17, we are in the 21st century. Fuck the fuckin fuck. Blue division?

And why order prison in the first place? Who goes to prison nowadays? criminals? The corrupt? If real criminals went to prison on 24 hours notice there would be no government in Spain.

The fact is, unlike any other accused in Spain, they were given 24 hours notice to appear in court. Are you smirking at that? Do you think it's their fault?

What is it? Conspiracy to be jailed?

I didn't mention the political prisioners. Which is what they are. You're conflating the two issues.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Spanish humour (culturally fascist but nevermind)

Prison welcome kit for catalans.

 

[Anudder Oik]

I didn't mention the political prisioners. Which is what they are. You're conflating the two issues.

What is your view on fascist street names in Spain in 2017? Is the council taking them down now? A bit fucking late in the day, don't you think? Why are they even still there? Is there any country in europe with this kind of shit? No?

Spain is different.

 

[mojo pixy]

tbf everywhere has streets named after people and events nobody should be proud of. There's a Culloden Road in Enfield ffs. I'm not saying there should be roads named like that, but if we're talking re-naming streets, can you imagine the outcry if it was suggested in the UK? If they've even started doing that in Spain then good on them.

 

[Favelado]

What is your view on fascist street names in Spain in 2017? Is the council taking them down now? A bit fucking late in the day, don't you think? Why are they even still there? Is there any country in europe with this kind of stuff? No?

Spain is different.

Ask Barcelona's mayor what she thinks of ours. Yes they are taking them down now as PP got kicked out. I don't like fascist street names. You mean Western Europe I take it or the answer's yes.

What have street names that the majority of madrileños find offensive got to do with anything?

 

[Anudder Oik]

Lots of pots and pans banging tonite.

Big Indepe demo coming up on the 12th in Barcelona. Going to be massive.

On the protest in front of the town hall tonite there were cheers as someone in the crowd burned his PSC membership card.

Lots of chants for a general strike.

 

[Anudder Oik]

As if Spain couldn't show itself up more, the head of the armed forces had to come out and open his mouth.

Quote: History has shown that the spanish armed forces know how to defend the nation.

That is a direct reference, not even camoflaged, to Franco's coup against the democratically elected republic in 1936 which led to 4 years of heroic resistance against fascism.
You see, the spanish army is only any use when it comes to attacking it's own civilian population. If anyone is still wondering why those evil catalans want to leave lovely innocent Spain, well, here it is. what we have known all along but some people still don't get.

Will this piece of shit resign? No. Perfectly normal way of expressing oneself in Spain. Junkers and Tusk trust these guys.

El jefe de las Fuerzas Armadas advierte de que 'la historia demuestra' que el Ejército sabe 'defender la Nación'

Fuck the fucking fuck. Independence Now!!!

 

[Anudder Oik]

Interesting tweet, captures the long term sentiment here.

They hate you, they ridicule you, they attack you and they think they are in the position to own you. I'm sick of this!
Sick of having to justify myself all my life, just for being Catalan.



When the law is manipulated and is interpreted to suit someone's taste, it is a failure. Spain is a dictatorship and a disgrace.



21st december, you don't argue with fascism, you destroy it

 

[Favelado]

Do you hate the state or do you actually dislike most Spaniards too?

 

[Anudder Oik]

tbf everywhere has streets named after people and events nobody should be proud of. There's a Culloden Road in Enfield ffs. I'm not saying there should be roads named like that, but if we're talking re-naming streets, can you imagine the outcry if it was suggested in the UK? If they've even started doing that in Spain then good on them.

It's not the same. Culloden doesn't really have a murderous nazi ideological message, it was a battle, someone lost. However, the street name in spain is a direct homage from fascists to a fascist division that fought in hitler's army in Russia. Hitler's the one with the tash and gesticualting arms. It would not be scandalous to remove such a street name in the UK. The equivolent would be "British SS volunteers avenue" or "Oswald Mosley crescent" or similar. I don't think the comparison is valid. According to little britain Culloden was a lovely battle.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Do you hate the state or do you actually dislike most Spaniards too?

I hate the state and painfully recognise that it has widespread support from bigotted spanish nationalists who must number in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, all hating catalonia. For me spanish nationalists are nothing less than scum. Socially fascistic knuckledragging scum. My solidarity with anyone left in Spain who is not thick and has to deal with that shit.

At the moment, the loudest voices in spain are those of the spanish nationalists. Where are the intellectuals and TV personalities who champion every cause? Democracy is under direct threat here.

 

[Favelado]

As in most people in Spain then.

 

[Favelado]

It's not the same. Culloden doesn't really have a murderous nazi ideological message, it was a battle, someone lost. However, the street name in spain is a direct homage from fascists to a fascist division that fought in hitler's army in Russia. Hitler's the one with the tash and gesticualting arms. It would not be scandalous to remove such a street name in the UK. The equivolent would be "British SS volunteers avenue" or "Oswald Mosley crescent" or similar. I don't think the comparison is valid. According to little britain Culloden was a lovely battle.

madrileños who live in those streets will have grandparents who were locked up by Franco. How do you think they feel having that as their address? Madrileños weren't oppressed? What's your point with this? A friend of mine was locked up just pre-transition. Why are street names in Madrid A Catalan issue?

 

[Anudder Oik]

What spanish people should be pissed off about.

Spoiler

1.Abaratamiento del despido
2. La amnistía fiscal
3. El aumento del número de alumnos por aula
4. El aumento de la desigualdad
5. La bajada de la base reguladora para el paro
6. Bankia
7. La beligerancia con Grecia
8. Bárcenas
9. Barberá
10. Los cambios de directores en los periódicos
11. Camps
12. Canal Nou
13. La complacencia con Merkel
14. El copago de medicamentos
15. Cospedal y su marido
16. La disminución del número y cuantía de las becas
17. El éxodo juvenil a otros países
18. Fabra
19. Gallardón
20. La guerra a las renovables
21. La gestión territorial
22. Granados
23. Gundín
24. Gürtel
25. El impuesto al sol
26. El incumplimiento del programa electoral del PP
27. La precariedad de los nuevos empleos
28. La subida del IVA y otros impuestos
29. La utilización torticera de la Agencia Tributaria
30. Los desahucios
31. Ley del Aborto
32. Ley Mordaza
33. Matas
34. Mato
35. Morenés y el armamento
36. Noös
37. Palma Arena
38 Las pensiones y la tomadura de pelo del 0,25% de aumento
39. Plasma
40. La presión a los medios privados
41. Púnica
42. Pujol y familia
43. Rato
44. El recibo de la luz
45. Recortes en Dependencia
46. Recortes en Educación
47. Recortes en Sanidad
48. Reforma laboral
49. Rescate a los bancos
50. Sobres
51. Somoano
52. Subida de las tasas judiciales
53. Supresión de la deducción por vivienda
54. Telemadrid
55. Torres Dulce y su misterioso relevo
56. Tve
57. El TTIP
58. Urdangarín
59. El uso y abuso de los órganos judiciales.
60. Ley de montes aprobada en 2015. Recalificar terrenos quemados.
61. Los "cuidados" del Padre de Rajoy.
62. Wert
Caso AVE
Caso Almenas
Caso Andratx
Caso Arcos
Caso Arona
Caso Astapa
Caso Atlético
Caso Baltar
Caso Banca
Caso Bankia
Caso Berzosa
Caso Bitel-2
Caso Bomsai
Caso Bon Sosec
Caso Brugal
Caso Bárcenas
Caso CAM
Caso CCM
Caso Camisetas
Caso Campeón
Caso Conde Roa
Caso Cooperación
Caso Corredor
Caso De Miguel
Caso Dívar
Caso Egües
Caso El Trompo
Caso Emarsa
Caso Emperador
Caso Enredadera
Caso Epsilon
Caso Fabra
Caso Faycán
Caso Filesa
Caso Flick
Caso Forcem
Caso Funeraria
Caso Guateque
Caso Guerra
Caso Gürtel
Caso Harrag
Caso Hügel
Caso ITV
Caso Ibatur/Pasarela
Caso Ibiza Centre
Caso Innova
Caso Interligare
Caso La Fabriquilla
Caso Las Teresitas
Caso Lasarte
Caso Lifeblood
Caso Limusa
Caso Malaya
Caso Marchelo
Caso Marea
Caso Margüello
Caso Matsa
Caso Mercasevilla
Caso Mercurio
Caso Millet
Caso Miñano
Caso Método 3
Caso Naseiro
Caso Nueva Rumasa
Caso Nóos
Caso Orquesta
Caso Over Marketing
Caso Palau
Caso Pallerols
Caso Palma Arena
Caso Parques Eólicos
Caso Peaje
Caso Picnic
Caso Pitiusa
Caso PlaZa
Caso Plan Territorial
Caso Plaold
Caso Plasenzuela
Caso Pokémon
Caso Poniente
Caso Port Vell
Caso Porto
Caso Pretoria
Caso Rasputín
Caso Riopedre
Caso Rumasa
Caso Rus
Caso Salmón
Caso Sanlúcar
Caso Scala/Cola Cao
Caso Seat
Caso Tabacalera
Caso Terán
Caso Torres de Calatrava
Caso Totem
Caso Treball
Caso Troya
Caso Turismo Joven
Caso Túnel de Sóller
Caso Umbra
Caso Unión
Caso Zambrana
Caso Zamora
Caso de la Ciudad del Golf
Caso de la Construcción
Caso de los cursos de formación
Caso del Lino
Caso facturas
Luxembourg Leaks
Operación Edu Costa
Operación Madeja
Operación Molinos
Operación Púnica
Plan Rabasa
Trama Zeta
Caso Acuamed
Caso de la Serna
Ministro Soria
Papeles de Panamá

 

[Anudder Oik]

madrileños who live in those streets will have grandparents who were locked up by Franco. How do you think they feel having that as their address? Madrileños weren't oppressed? What's your point with this? A friend of mine was locked up just pre-transition. Why are street names in Madrid A Catalan issue?

My point is "street names in 2017" are very revealing about spain 40 years after the transition.

 

[LiamO]

Do you hate the state or do you actually dislike most Spaniards too?

For weeks I thought you were making valid points Favelado . Now you just sound like a complete cunt.

 

[LiamO]

madrileños who live in those streets will have grandparents who were locked up by Franco. How do you think they feel having that as their address? Madrileños weren't oppressed?

Course they fuckin were.

So let them rise up too. Instead of siding with their fascistic 'Masters'.

 

[Favelado]

For weeks I thought you were making valid points Favelado . Now you just sound like a complete cunt.

It was a genuine questíon. Sorry if I seem like a cunt. You seem out of your depth and pretty thick so I guess we've all got weak points.

 

[mojo pixy]

It's not the same. Culloden doesn't really have a murderous nazi ideological message, it was a battle, someone lost.

Is that all it was, a battle that someone lost? OK then and up the union!

 

[Stanley Edwards]

I still don't see how the search for independence is a fight against Fascism. I still see plenty of Fascism, Nationalism, corruption, lies and deceit on the side of many Catalan separatists.

Still not a single mention of how/why Catalunya will be better off for everyone.

It is about time some people started putting a bigger move for a united Spain against Fascism. Why is Pablo Iglesias being so quiet? This could well be his moment.


--/ Whilst all this is going on, it seems it is business as usual as far as selling all the private toll roads goes. Think Italian, or German companies are having them.