Spanish Political News

[gosub]

How did he get to Belgium? On his Harry Potter broomstick? .... That's his nickname btw

According to El Periodico, a Catalan daily, the group drove from Barcelona to Marseille, in France, where they took a plane to Brussels.

 

[tim]

Well as Mossos seems to have bowed to the authority of Madrid without hesitation, and faced with the choice of prison & being basically silenced, or getting out & causing a shit-storm from a distance, fuck 'looking courageous.'

That is of no matter, as we speak Captain Mainwudderoik is in a Barcelona church hall recruiting his resistance force

Motto: Non ho diguis, Lluc de riu!

 

[Wilf]

Dunno how brave I'd be with the threat of doing time, but this Belgian jaunt doesn't look good if you are seeking to mobilise the Catalan people. Like most people on here I'm disgusted with the actions of Madrid but, to be honest, they are winning the battle.

 

[planetgeli]

Like most people on here I'm disgusted with the actions of Madrid but, to be honest, they are winning the battle.

And, with only the combined forces of the European Union, governments, and media on their side they are doing so against the odds eh?

Anyway, they were always winning the battle. I actually think they’ve probably lost a bit of ground, despite those ‘odds’ I’ve quoted.

 

[Reiabuzz]

Bonkers situation. So this fuckwit has just done a Polanski? Even Manefort didn’t do that.

Surely after all this stand up for your beliefs in court.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Bonkers situation. So this fuckwit has just done a Polanski? Even Manefort didn’t do that.

Surely after all this stand up for your beliefs in court.

Well if he stays in Belgium I guess he will be standing up in court(s) - Belgium and/or European, rather than Spanish - and getting a fairer hearing.

 

[Reiabuzz]

He’s a hop skip and a jump from Switzerland

 

[cupid_stunt]

He’s a hop skip and a jump from Switzerland

Or, the Ecuadorian embassy in London.

 

[Wilf]

Or, the Ecuadorian embassy in London.

'Julian and Carles' - imagine the sitcom potential!

 

[tim]

'Julian and Carles' - imagine the sitcom potential!

And the criminal practice that takes up most of their time

 

[T & P]

As a semi-related observation, i’m shocked at how big a swing to the right El Pais has taken. I seem to remember reading about new investors taking majority control of the paper a while ago and influencing editorial policy, but right now they’re giving ABC a fucking run for their money. I reckon they’re actually to the right of El Mundo. Talk about going down the pan.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

As a semi-related observation, i’m shocked at how big a swing to the right El Pais has taken. I seem to remember reading about new investors taking majority control of the paper a while ago and influencing editorial policy, but right now they’re giving ABC a fucking run for their money. I reckon they’re actually to the right of El Mundo. Talk about going down the pan.

It is a real shame. Sort of reflects the entire change in Spain, and the main reason I left. The Right has been in control, uncontested for too long. Difficult to see even PODEMOS making new ground.

I see even the provincial papers in Spain are now aligning Puigdemont with terrorists. One headline I saw read "Puigdemont hires lawyer who defended ETA prisoners". That is nasty shit really.

El Pais used to be a reasonably good, and fair paper.

 

[Favelado]

I quite like La Razón because it leaves me mouth open with incredulity every time. It renders the satire of Mongolia obselete.

 

[planetgeli]

So this fuckwit has just done a Polanski?

Nice.

I'm no fan of Puigdemont. But you've just compared his dilemma, facing political charges of sedition and 30 years in jail from a corrupt right-wing government...with an alleged paedophile.

And in a battle between him and you, you think he's the fuckwit?

 

[gosub]

Is it actually possible to have an asylum claim between two Schengen countries?

How 'Spanish protocol' could complicate Puigdemont asylum

he's not but article answers the question.

 

[KeeperofDragons]

The has bee a question about whether he's run away on the new this lunchtime

 

[Wilf]

The has bee a question about whether he's run away on the new this lunchtime

 

[LiamO]

It was probably the threat of LiamO arriving with his tambourine what pushed him over the edge.

Tambourine? Pah!

I'm a multi-instrumentalist. Kazoo AND egg.

 

[gosub]

[Watch again] MEPs discuss Catalonia crisis

Sounds like there's more vt but hard to find (at least this side of of the Bay of Biscay) asking that hopefully coz otherwise :not fit for purpose..

[triangulation request....best footage link within 2 clicks of a google search of Eu parliament news] iTopa!


#GTrig

 

[Riklet]

Pro independence parties would win forthcoming elections with a majority of seats but not votes, show latest figures from Catalonia.

However, this same article also shows a 7% increase in support for Independence since June this year. 49 yes to 43 no and some don't knows. Not quite the political apathy others have mentioned, in any case.

 

[Raheem]

Pro independence parties would win forthcoming elections with a majority of seats but not votes, show latest figures from Catalonia.

However, this same article also shows a 7% increase in support for Independence since June this year. 49 yes to 43 no and some don't knows. Not quite the political apathy others have mentioned, in any case.

Should be noted, though, that this looks like it is a poll organised by the outgoing Catalan government.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Puigdemont isn't seeking asylum, he's looking to highlight his plight and that of Catalonian Independence, hence the packed press conference he attended yesterday.
He claimed it was also to avoid violence as he had information from two sources that the spanish state was preparing something very nasty if they encountered resistance.

The alternative to Brussels would be imprisonment, where he would be useless.
Also, the main reason he couldn't get a fair trial in Spain is because there isn't a separation between political power and the justice system.
This means a fair trial is impossible. The charges of sedition and rebellion require there to be a violent uprising, which didn't happen,
yet, the spanish state bends the law to its own ends, and the spanish press don't care about this abuse and have been churning out histerical lies about threats to guardia civil children in catalan schools, tension in the streets, etc.
When there was a small fight in Barcelona between youths, the whole press, who were desperate to find/invent this "tension" fixed on that.
Two political prisoners are already being held and this week (thursday 2nd nov) more will be taken, Forcadell, Trapero, Junqueras and several others.

No country has ever used sedition charges without direct approval of its government.

The Guardia Civil have entered Mossos police stations looking for recordings from the day of the referendum. They are investigating the "passivity"
of the Mossos. The case will probably end up with a purge of the force. The two police who were at the electoral college where I was are under investigation.

 

[Anudder Oik]

More videos of extreme right wing violence in the streets. It always goes off at the unionist marches (last sunday spanish press failed to report on the violence). If the spanish justice system were fair it would arrest the organizers for sedition, too. The two Jordi's organized peaceful protests and are in prison without bail. There are videos of the Jordis telling people to go home and opening a cordon to allow police to pass through. Nothing like the violence in the videos in the link has happened on the Indepe protests. No right wingers have been arrested.

Videos of the Spanish Radicals Violence lived in some Cities of Spain since Catalan Referendum of October 1, 2017

 

[Pickman's model]

If the spanish justice system were fair it would arrest the organizers for sedition, too.

as i understand it the unionists are very much in favour of the authority of the state

 

[Anudder Oik]

Intention of vote according to CEO, A generalitat de Catalunya poll.

 

[Anudder Oik]

A catalan media outlet with up to date information in english:

ElNacional.cat is a Catalan newspaper of European and global vocation

Article debunking the lies being peddled in the spanish press. Unfounded sourceless stories about indoctrination, division, hate, and harrasment of spanish speakers in catalan schools. (in catalan, needs translator thingy)

"Niños llorando" o la construcció mediàtica de l'"adoctrinamiento" escolar a Catalunya

 

[Anudder Oik]

Link below to a report that two people have been arrested in Lerida by the Guardia Civil for "making comments on facebook" about the police violence
that happened during the referendum vote. They are accused of inciting hate but it doesn't say exactly what they wrote.

According to the news in the link, a mother of two, and a man, were actually handcuffed and taken to the police station.
Although there was no way she would try to leave the country she was kept in custody overnight and has marks/injuries on her wrists
from the cuffs.

Detinguts per criticar la brutalitat policial de l'1-O a la xarxa

 

[Riklet]

What will be interesting is what 'third option' the state dangles before, during and after the December election.

I mean, they may not, not too willingly anyway. But if pro-indie parties get a clear majority they will be forced into something. Some kind of medium term move to a more federal system perhaps.

What's the mood like on the street etc with Puigdemont mucking around in Brussels btw Anudder Oik? I'm wondering whether he could come out of this with a strong bargaining position or shipped back in chains. At the moment it seems all a bit dependent on the various factions of the Belgian government!

 

[Raheem]

What will be interesting is what 'third option' the state dangles before, during and after the December election.

I mean, they may not, not too willingly anyway. But if pro-indie parties get a clear majority they will be forced into something. Some kind of medium term move to a more federal system perhaps.

I think there's no chance of any compromise proposal from Rojoy, at least before the elections. Doing that would help the pro-independence parties, because it would be a clear concession to them, and because voters wouldn't have to worry so much about being dragged back into a constitutional crisis groundhog day.

 

[planetgeli]

This will go well.

Catalan ex-ministers held by Spain court

Catalonia crisis: Sacked ministers held by Madrid court

Eight sacked Catalan ministers have been remanded in custody by a Spanish high court judge over the region's push for independence.

Prosecutors had asked the judge to detain eight of the nine former government members who turned up for questioning in Madrid.

They are accused of rebellion, sedition and misuse of public funds.

The state prosecutor has requested a European arrest warrant for ousted Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont.

The request also covers four other dismissed Catalan ministers who did not show up.

Those detained include Deputy Vice President Oriol Junqueras, Interior Minister Joaquim Forn, Foreign Affairs Minister Raül Romeva, and Justice Minister Carles Mundó.

Former Business Minister Santi Vila was granted bail at the request of prosecutors. He resigned before the Catalan parliament voted for independence on Friday.