Spanish Political News

[Anudder Oik]

After every unionist protest, organized mainly by SCC, fascists go hunting. In Mataró last night
a man was attacked as he stepped out of his front door into a group of unionists.



And thousands marched in Perpignan for the political prioners.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Headline in "El Pais"

The fugitive in Belgium who is destabilizing Catalonia

 

[planetgeli]

8 Catalan teachers arrested for hate crimes, for getting pupils to discuss what happened during the election.

Anyone got a link, preferably with translation, for this? I’m interested in how the mechanics of these arrests would work. And even more interested in the politics behind how and why it was done. Anudder Oik ?

 

[Anudder Oik]

Warming up for the general strike next wednesday. Looks like it's going to be made illegal.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Anyone got a link, preferably with translation, for this? I’m interested in how the mechanics of these arrests would work. And even more interested in the politics behind how and why it was done. Anudder Oik ?

There is little detail so far. They are to testify this tuesday and are being investigated for "instigation of hate" for debating in class in a "catalanista tone" and against the spanish,
which is absolute bollox.

Citan a declarar a ocho profesores de tres escuelas de La Seu d’Urgell

 

[Poi E]

If our government weren't such a bunch of ruthlessly inept twats they would be making more political capital of the Catalan situation to divide the EU over policy and play different power-blocks against each other. Cause a bit of mischief.

Ah, the good old sabre-rattling days.

Remember the seditious Picts.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Basques march in support of the Catalans.

Rather massive anti 155 demo.

 

[Anudder Oik]

A translation of the bulk of the speech from a politician in the basque parliament. Jasone Agirre, deputy of BH Bildu. (from minute 1:13)

Thanks to Spain prison is part of our culture in the basque country

The catalans have committed no crime, they haven't hurt anybody, we know more than anyone what you are suffering
and what suffering will come, but it's good what you are doing, feel proud because you are giving a lesson in dignity to the whole
world, that's what we wanted to say.

How many times did you (PP of the 155) tell us that we should defend our political ideas peacefully. How you lied.

In a legitimatley elected parliament they have defended a legitimate idea, that of independence, as other countries have done,
but the spanish reaction has been typical, first violence and then prison.

A revengeful policy of the state...that doesnt pursue criminals but ideas, the vice president of the senate has already said that even if the independetistas win the
elecion on the 21st of december the 155 will be applied.

Spain has a cultural problem, it doesn't accept the word "No", or political dissidence, it's a cultural problem that goes back centuries...
Today they repeat the same parametres of the inquisition but with a slight difference. Then, they pursued people in the name of god and with
a cross in their hands and now they pursue in the name of the law and with the constitution in the hand...Before, they burned people alive, now they put people in prison for half their lifetime.

What is this government (Basque) going to do? Is it going to recognise the catalan republic? Is it going to act like a people or is it going to look the other way?

 

[Wilf]

I see Puidgmont has turned himself in to Belgian authorities:
Carles Puigdemont turns himself in to Belgian police

I still have issues about the way the pro-indie leaders have tried to move on to independence without anything approaching a clear and consistent mandate, but fucking hell it's getting a bit grim now.

 

[where to]

I see Puidgmont has turned himself in to Belgian authorities

really wise move, cuts right through running away/ traitor rhetoric, catches the Belgians off-guard with 24 hrs to decide their position. on a sunday too. can imagine the frantic discussions taking place in Brussels now.

 

[Anudder Oik]

really wise move, cuts right through running away/ traitor rhetoric, catches the Belgians off-guard with 24 hrs to decide their position. on a sunday too. can imagine the frantic discussions taking place in Brussels now.

The belgian interior minister Jan Jambon today: "Madrid has gone too far. Where is europe?"

El ministre d’Interior belga: ‘Madrid ha anat massa lluny, on és Europa?’

 

[Anudder Oik]

The basque demo from a different angle

 

[Anudder Oik]

ERC (Independentistas) had a meeting the other day to discuss the election strategy for december 21st.
They left their mobiles outside to avoid being bugged.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Last night in Mataro, fascists were attacking people, this evening there is an anti-fascist protest
in the same town. Mataro is on the coast north of Barcelona.

"Fora Feixistes de nostras barris"

"Fascists out of our neighbourhoods"

 

[Anudder Oik]

Today there was a cartelada. Thousands of people in every town and village around Catalonia turned out to put up posters everywhere, mainly for the free the Jordi's campaign.

I went out before lunchtime to see what was going on in my local town hall square and the moment I stepped out into the street
I heard raised voices. Just on the corner a woman was facing down a man who had just ripped down some posters that some teenage girls
were attaching to a lamp post. I walked over and stood beside her in support. She was giving him a good telling off about people's rights
to protest and pointing out that the man and his side also had the right to put up posters unmolested, she didn't swear or insult but spoke sternly and
the man started to back off. Then some people on a balcony applauded her. I also congratulated her. It was yet another lesson in dignity and restraint.

 

[Riklet]

I'm still intrigued as to what the heck will happen to Sr Piegdemont.

Clearly some big discussions gonna be going down in Brussels on a Sunday, for once.

There was a protest in Madrid earlier about the jailing of politicians and the current lack of democracy. Was sent a video by a friend who went. Hopefully there will be more, n bigger numbers too.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The Belgian vice-premier and interior minister has spoken out against Spain & the EU, adding to previous comments from the immigration minister.

The article linked below also reports that Puigdemont & Co. will be released from police custody soon, under certain conditions.

The Catalan nationalists have strong support from Flemish political parties in Belgium. The fleeing of Mr Puigdemont and his colleagues to Brussels had been preceded by the country’s immigration minister, Theo Francken, saying they would be able to seek asylum.

Today, the Belgian vice-premier and interior minister stated that Madrid had overreacted and all efforts must be made to ensure that Mr Puigdemont and his colleagues get a fair trial if he is returned to Spain. Jan Jambon, who criticised the “silence” of the European Union on the issue, said: “I am just questioning how a European Union member state can go this far and I am asking myself whether Europe is to have an opinion on this.”

Ousted Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont and ministers 'to be released' by Belgian police

ETA: UPDATE - Sky reporting Puigdemont & Co. have actually been released now, on conditional bail, and the extradition process could take weeks or even months.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

I will forward your post to Ian Hislop and demand he take up the challenge

As you well know, my point was that any publication, or journalist making accusations like that would find themselves in court. Even if they had hard evidence they would still have to present it at court.

People here are believing so much of the bullshit and calling me a 'cunt' for representing a moderate view, all you are actually doing is distracting from the matter of fact, truly nasty shit the Spanish sate is actually doing. The truth is concerning enough. Why go with all the crazy rubbish being posted all over the internet?

 

[Pickman's model]

As you well know, my point was that any publication, or journalist making accusations like that would find themselves in court. Even if they had hard evidence they would still have to present it at court.

People here are believing so much of the bullshit and calling me a 'cunt' for representing a moderate view, all you are actually doing is distracting from the matter of fact, truly nasty shit the Spanish sate is actually doing. The truth is concerning enough. Why go with all the crazy rubbish being posted all over the internet?

Yeh. I said some time ago the spanish state would deliver a majority for independence. I see nothing to make me revise my view. I don't believe saying cops take drugs would see you in court. There. It's been said: cops take drugs. Riot cops take cocaine.

*looks about*

Still here, chuck

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Yeh. I said some time ago the spanish state would deliver a majority for independence. I see nothing to make me revise my view. I don't believe saying cops take drugs would see you in court. There. It's been said: cops take drugs. Riot cops take cocaine.

*looks about*

Still here, chuck

That is because you are a pathetic no-one who has not published a comment in the mainstream press inferring that the Policia Nacional were high on coke when on duty, implying that their behaviour was a result of their drug use.

--/ edit. Of course, it may well be true. Some police may have been using cocaine on duty, but unless you have hard evidence, no journalist would expect to get away with stating such stuff as fact.

 

[Pickman's model]

That is because you are a pathetic no-one who has not published a comment in the mainstream press inferring that the Policia Nacional were high on coke when on duty, implying that their behaviour was a result of their drug use.

Tbh I can say what I like about the pn in the full and certain knowledge I will never see the inside of a court or police station because of it. I can say - and have said - what I wanted about the met and have never been nicked for it. I haven't been personally abusive to you on this thread, while your abuse toward me is a standard hallmark of your posts as in quote. Pisspoor.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Tbh I can say what I like about the pn in the full and certain knowledge I will never see the inside of a court or police station because of it. I can say - and have said - what I wanted about the met and have never been nicked for it. I haven't been personally abusive to you on this thread, while your abuse toward me is a standard hallmark of your posts as in quote. Pisspoor.

I replied to your quote of my post.

My point still stands. If any journalist reported that the police in the U.K. were high on cocaine whilst on duty (or, even off duty) without hard evidence, they would by prosecuted. Whether intended as satire, or not. Why do you think it would be any different about Spain. This has fuck all to do with anything you write here, or elsewhere.

You have been consistently and perpetually personally abusive to myself and many others all over these boards. Expect a bit of retort occasionally, or change your stalking attitude.

 

[Pickman's model]

I replied to your quote of my post.

My point still stands. If any journalist reported that the police in the U.K. were high on cocaine whilst on duty (or, even off duty) without hard evidence, they would by prosecuted. Whether intended as satire, or not. Why do you think it would be any different about Spain. This has fuck all to do with anything you write here, or elsewhere.

You have been consistently and perpetually personally abusive to myself and many others all over these boards. Expect a bit of retort occasionally, or change your stalking attitude.

What would they be prosecuted for?

I can take it and I can hand it out. But I am not sure why you introduce abuse here and go further by accompanying it with lies. No matter: no need for a response on that point.

 

[Anudder Oik]

The Belgian vice-premier and interior minister has spoken out against Spain & the EU, adding to previous comments from the immigration minister.

The article linked below also reports that Puigdemont & Co. will be released from police custody soon, under certain conditions.

Ousted Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont and ministers 'to be released' by Belgian police

ETA: UPDATE - Sky reporting Puigdemont & Co. have actually been released now, on conditional bail, and the extradition process could take weeks or even months.

The former belgian Prime minister has also waded in, saying:

Puigdemont abused his position but Rajoy behaved as an authoritarian Francoist.
Let's find the way to a more federal Spain.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Roads and train lines were cut by the Defence committees this morning in a rolling campaign the length and breadth of Catalonia.
This is a build up to the general strike wednesday.

More pics here:

En directe: Tallen carreteres i vies de tren per exigir la llibertat dels presos polítics

 

[Anudder Oik]

In the newspaper Publico today.

The minister of Defence Maria Dolores de Cospedal has been allowing her ministry to fund an association of former army officers
who publish a pro Franco, pro coup, armed forces magazine, in which they call for military intervention in Catalonia and
state that the removal of Francoist Symbols from Spain's streets is a "gratuitous offence", One officer also called for the illegalization of Podemos.

Cospedal has protected them and then covered up in the congress that her department provides public aid for this association.

Cospedal rectifica sin disculparse por mentir sobre sus ayudas a militares franquistas


No mention of this in El Pais or La Vanguardia.

 

[Alicia]

Anyone got a link, preferably with translation, for this? I’m interested in how the mechanics of these arrests would work. And even more interested in the politics behind how and why it was done. Anudder Oik ?

They will declare tomorrow. Nobody has been arrested yet. They complain the son of a Guardia Civil was humiliated and insulted.
Apparently, in one of the cases, court acts ex-officio.

Lliuren més de 36.000 firmes en defensa de l'escola catalana a la Seu d'Urgell

Tot el suport als mestres i podessorat de la Seu d'Urgell citats a declarar per incitació a l'odi

 

[Anudder Oik]

Anyone got a link, preferably with translation, for this? I’m interested in how the mechanics of these arrests would work. And even more interested in the politics behind how and why it was done. Anudder Oik ?

They went in front of the judge today to give their statements and the judge decided to maintain their status as "being investigated" for supposed instigation of hate. (rather than kick the case out as would be done in any developed society)

According to a defence lawyer the eight teachers were denounced by a group of 11 parents, who didn't appear in court themselves but were represented by a prosecutor who specializes in hate crime.

from Vilaweb:
According to the allegations, one of the students supposedly suffered 'humiliations, insults and even aggression' because his mother is a civil guard, something known to other colleagues and teachers. In this sense, the judge wanted to know if there were comments made by several teachers as well as if they were responsible for certain 'attitudes' to motivate the students to make these supposed comments. The acts against the son of the civil guard would have taken place on October 3, two days after the referendum.

This incident is said to have happened outside the school between kids, not in the classroom where the alleged crime of "hate" is said to have happened. It's just fucking ridiculous.

The whole situation of teachers having to appear in court for debating what had happened on their own doorstep two days before and with the whole of society talking about the massive acts of brutality seen on referendum day is surreal and the only country in europe where this could happen is Spain (Turkey is not in europe) because something is seriously wrong with this country's idea of how a democratic society works. There is speculation that the "parents" are an organized ideological group which is likely to be true as this witch hunt is a continuation of a systematic campaign by the extreme right to demonize the catalan education system by accusations of indoctrination. Albert Rivera of ciutadans last week stated on TV that spanish is not taught in catalan schools, the exterior minister Dastis (the one who lied on the bbc about the violence) also stated a few weeks ago on french TV that spanish is not taught in catalan schools. Well, spanish is in fact taught in catalan schools but the truth is getting in the way of this campaign.

El jutge manté com a investigats els vuit professors de la Seu d’Urgell per haver parlat de l’1-O a classe

 

[Anudder Oik]

Fascists, I mean unionists, mobilized again last night, this time in Sant Cugat, 15 minutes inland from barcelona. The Mayoress had hung a banner from the town hall in support of the political prisoners and this mob turned out under the banner of "not in my name" in order to rip it down. See video in link.

Público Tv - La alcaldesa de San Cugat del Vallès desata la polémica tras colocar una pancarta por los "presos políticos"

 

[Pickman's model]

They went in front of the judge today to give their statements and the judge decided to maintain their status as "being investigated" for supposed instigation of hate. (rather than kick the case out as would be done in any developed society)

According to a defence lawyer the eight teachers were denounced by a group of 11 parents, who didn't appear in court themselves but were represented by a prosecutor who specializes in hate crime.

from Vilaweb:
According to the allegations, one of the students supposedly suffered 'humiliations, insults and even aggression' because his mother is a civil guard, something known to other colleagues and teachers. In this sense, the judge wanted to know if there were comments made by several teachers as well as if they were responsible for certain 'attitudes' to motivate the students to make these supposed comments. The acts against the son of the civil guard would have taken place on October 3, two days after the referendum.

This incident is said to have happened outside the school between kids, not in the classroom where the alleged crime of "hate" is said to have happened. It's just fucking ridiculous.

The whole situation of teachers having to appear in court for debating what had happened on their own doorstep two days before and with the whole of society talking about the massive acts of brutality seen on referendum day is surreal and the only country in europe where this could happen is Spain (Turkey is not in europe) because something is seriously wrong with this country's idea of how a democratic society works. There is speculation that the "parents" are an organized ideological group which is likely to be true as this witch hunt is a continuation of a systematic campaign by the extreme right to demonize the catalan education system by accusations of indoctrination. Albert Rivera of ciutadans last week stated on TV that spanish is not taught in catalan schools, the exterior minister Dastis (the one who lied on the bbc about the violence) also stated a few weeks ago on french TV that spanish is not taught in catalan schools. Well, spanish is in fact taught in catalan schools but the truth is getting in the way of this campaign.

El jutge manté com a investigats els vuit professors de la Seu d’Urgell per haver parlat de l’1-O a classe

Could you expand on the Spain not a developed society bit?