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sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
There's a number of different forces in Catalonia..... Mossos d'esquadra, Policia Nacional, Policia Local, Guardia Urbana, Guardia Civil (although they mainly do border and large scale crime).
I don't think its the Mossos beating the shit out of the protestors, its much more likely to be Policia Nacional, although I'm not 100%. It doesn't look like Guardia, they're normally in green (military-esque police).
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Catalonia general strike brings Barcelona to standstill
General strike brings Barcelona to a standstill. Airport shut down, youth have running battles with police on major thoroughfare which they plan to shut later today, further paralysing the city.
Judge orders shutdown of website and social media accounts of Tsunami Democratic who are coordinating the protests. This follows five successive nights of violence.
This is how you get heard and worry those in power.
General strike brings Barcelona to a standstill. Airport shut down, youth have running battles with police on major thoroughfare which they plan to shut later today, further paralysing the city.
Judge orders shutdown of website and social media accounts of Tsunami Democratic who are coordinating the protests. This follows five successive nights of violence.
This is how you get heard and worry those in power.
Riklet
procrastinación
Solidarity with the protestors! Hope they give the airport another go. Id be amazed if this doesnt go on for weeks longer - will dominate the forthcoming elections. Presumably why Sanchez is playing hard.
What a corrupt charade. And yes it's clear from the press it's the Mossos beating people - they have already been disciplined and punished for previous support or dithering.
What a corrupt charade. And yes it's clear from the press it's the Mossos beating people - they have already been disciplined and punished for previous support or dithering.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
With a somewhat localised eye Portuguese TV have live coverage of Barcelona in a small box and the Benfica coach arriving for a League Cup game in the main screen .
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
theres a grim video doing the rounds of a load of armoured and tooled up police piling out of a van and just going ape on a large crowd running away. Cunts.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Yeah, I saw that too. Cunts.
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
I asked on a video in /r/catalonia (catalan english speaking sub on reddit) and got the following response
Nacional and Mossos wear similar colour uniform, where as Civil wear green. There's also videos close up on a bus, and the clothing they're wearing does say Policia Nacional also.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Spain goes to polls again today doesn't it? Return of PP in coalition with Cuidadanos and the far right looks possible
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
It going to be close between that and a PSOE/Podemos possible bits and bobs arrangement
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Still, nice to see that the spanish libdem types got fucked out of it
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Interesting read. Critical of PSOE leader. Says he called off talks with Podemos that could have seen joint PSOE/ Podemos government. It wasn't Podemos fault.
That leadership in PSOE saw Podemos coalition as upsetting for big business/ Brussels
That Sanchez has been unwilling to go to the left.
Article is sympathetic to Podemos position.
Now Sanchez has to deal with growth of far right VOX success without increasing his share of the vote this time around. He was banking on getting more votes by moving to the centre.
This was written just before the election. Podemos did not do that well. Pushed into fourth place by Vox.
So the article is saying Sanchez miscalculated. He should have made coalition deal with Podemos first time around.
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As someone said: The Spanish electorate has been consulted often but not not listened to once.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I only have a surface understanding of the situation but in my view Sanchez now has further problems . Although Podemos lost seats but are are in a postion to demand more but even if there is an agreement doesnt give them the majority. That leaves only the liberal Ciudadanos who took a battering and may well elect a new leader or the potential for a difficult arrangement of some sort with Catalan Republican Left. Some have put Voxs surge down to anti regional independence especially the Catalonia issue.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
New Statesman comment on the election results
Spain’s Pedro Sánchez is paying the price for underestimating the far right
Spain’s Pedro Sánchez is paying the price for underestimating the far right
Jeremiah18.17
Well-Known Member
The
C’s have sounded increasingly fashy/aggressive over Catalunya in particular, no surprise that they should decline and Vox rise in those circumstances- right liberals “mainstream” fashy views and attitudes and the far right offer red meat for already whetted appetites- see also the “Libertarian/Alt Right” turn of much of the FDP in Germany and rise of the AFD.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Which bit would you have being listened to? The Podemos voters or Vox? PSOE or PP? The only message from these elections is that Spain is a country that is deeply divided politically. Well that's been true for the past 100 years, and it's not changing. It makes no sense to talk of an electorate as a unity in this way.
cathal marcs
Well-Known Member
Ciudadanos isn't some wishy-washy liberal party, calling them the Spanish Libdems is letting them off lightly, they are opportunistic right-wing pricks.
Almost all Ciudadanos voters I knew were exPP voters, who were pissed-off with corruption. Yesterday, they lost 47 seats, while PP and Vox gained 50 seats since April, almost a direct transfer of votes. The way I read the situation is that some voters have gone back to their natural home in the PP. While the hard-right flags on the balcony exPP voters who flirted with Cs in previous elections for their Spanish Nationalism find the Vox version even more appealing.
What will be interesting is how the PP react. Will they go further to the right to try and recuperate the voters who now vote Vox? Or, will they realise that Cs tried and failed to beat Vox at waving flags and try to occupy the centre-right?
Almost all Ciudadanos voters I knew were exPP voters, who were pissed-off with corruption. Yesterday, they lost 47 seats, while PP and Vox gained 50 seats since April, almost a direct transfer of votes. The way I read the situation is that some voters have gone back to their natural home in the PP. While the hard-right flags on the balcony exPP voters who flirted with Cs in previous elections for their Spanish Nationalism find the Vox version even more appealing.
What will be interesting is how the PP react. Will they go further to the right to try and recuperate the voters who now vote Vox? Or, will they realise that Cs tried and failed to beat Vox at waving flags and try to occupy the centre-right?
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Thanks Cathal thats dead informative
I think the long-term dissatisfaction that wasn't listened to was with the PSOE and the PP being increasingly interchangeable, corrupt, and neo-liberal. Needless to say I was happy with the rise of Podemos and would reluctantly have been with the anti-corruption version of the Cs. Their problem was that across the country they were anything from rebranded PP and every bit as as corrupt, through a cleaned up kind of Christian Democrat right up to rightists ripe for conversion into near-fascists. It all depended on who set up Ciudanos in a given place, and why. Ciudanos hasn't got a coherent 'brand'.
Another thing that wasn't listened to was that a leftish coalition is what everybody on the left wanted, except the PSOE leadership who got huffy.
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cathal marcs
Well-Known Member
The only good thing about these elections is that a possible PSOE-Cs pact, which I think the PSOE leadership wanted, is off the table. Now the PSOE have no, but choice to form some form of government with Podemos, although with less parliamentary power than they would have had if they had formed a government this summer. Even if they agree to form a government, I wouldn't be surprised if there is another election within the next 18 months. Fingers crossed voters are as fickle as they have been over the last few years, and Vox implode as fast as they have risen.
Socialists and Unidas Podemos strike preliminary deal to form coalition government
So a deal it is. Something they could have done a while back, you'd think.
So a deal it is. Something they could have done a while back, you'd think.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Its a minority govt though?
It is but they get there with votes from the more progressive nationalists, if my maths is right. As long as they stay away from the independence issues (if they can!) they'll get votes for their policies. It's close though, so it'll be vote by vote, I suppose.
It's an unpalatable truth but fascists build things like social housing, so you can't assume that Vox will vote against everything proposed by lefties.
It's an unpalatable truth but fascists build things like social housing, so you can't assume that Vox will vote against everything proposed by lefties.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
This will only make sense to
Spaniards or those well versed with Franco-era Spanish history, so apologies to all others, but it has made laugh no end...
Just shown this to my Spanish partner and she thought it was funny and spot on.
She said trouble is some Spanish people will think this "communist " government will destroy Spain.
She is really glad that at last Podemos and PSOE have worked out a deal. The tragedy of Spain has been that the right has been united and not the left.
Pablo Iglesias comes from her area. He cried when the new government officially took office. She was glad his party and PSOE are together he has worked so hard to get where he is.
She said the new leaders of her counntry are from the ordinary people of Spain. Not from the privileged backgrounds who supported Franco. Which is good.
Happens that Pablo Iglesias was named Pablo after the founder of the PSOE Pablo Iglesias Posse. My partners father, long time PSOE member , had picture of founder of PSOE on wall of home.
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