Should Tulse Hill in south London - named after a 17th century slave trader - change its name?

[Pickman's model]

Was James, Duke of York not the King’s brother? If not, how did he get the throne when Charles died?

I see you need reminding of the auld axiom that it is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than pipe up and prove yourself one.

Perhaps you can point out the relevance of your post to the issue of who did the actual formulation of policy in the rac, who directed it. I think you'll find the doy didn't bore himself with such.

 

[platinumsage]

I see you need reminding of the auld axiom that it is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than pipe up and prove yourself one.

Perhaps you can point out the relevance of your post to the issue of who did the actual formulation of policy in the rac, who directed it.

James was Admiral of the Fleet and the largest shareholder in the RAC, he directed a lot of stuff to do with slaves, Africa, New York, capturing and all that sort of stuff.

The point being that this was seen as an entirely normal investment back then, so it might pay to make a distinction between those actively involved like Tulse, and those just bunging a few quid into the Duke’s trading company.

 

[Pickman's model]

James was Admiral of the Fleet and the largest shareholder in the RAC, he directed a lot of stuff to do with slaves, Africa, New York, capturing and all that sort of stuff.

The point being that this was seen as an entirely normal investment back then, so it might pay to make a distinction between those actively involved like Tulse, and those just bunging a few quid into the Duke’s trading company.

Bluster

 

[platinumsage]

Bluster

Right. So you were wrong and have no actual point to make, glad that has been established.

 

[Pickman's model]

Right. So you were wrong and have no actual point to make, glad that has been established.

I'm making a very simple point, that he provided rather more in the way of decoration than he did in terms of actual leadership, as he did for another company, the Hudson's bay one. As for instance today's university chancellors do.

 

[platinumsage]

I'm making a very simple point, that he provided rather more in the way of decoration than he did in terms of actual leadership, as he did for another company, the Hudson's bay one. As for instance today's university chancellors do.

That was the exact point I made in post 88.

 

[Pickman's model]

That was the exact point I made in post 88.

I don't know why you were making such a fuss of how active he was in post in post 92 then. You can't have it both ways, that he was a figurehead and a driving force

 

[platinumsage]

I don't know why you were making such a fuss of how active he was in post in post 92 then. You can't have it both ways, that he was a figurehead and a driving force

He was a driving force, investing originally £3600, which was over four times more than anyone else including the King, not to mention seizing forts in West Africa etc. He was also a figurehead, lending it a legitimacy in the eyes of hands-off investors who may not have been aware of all the degradations of the slave trade, or that it formed a significant proportion of the company's trading profits.

 

[Pickman's model]

He was a driving force, investing originally £3600, which was over four times more than anyone else including the King, not to mention seizing forts in West Africa etc. He was also a figurehead, lending it a legitimacy in the eyes of hands-off investors who may not have been aware of all the degradations of the slave trade, or that it formed a significant proportion of the company's trading profits.

I think you shouldn't use words you don't know the meaning of, words like figurehead for example

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyway I think there's a broad consensus that urban feels the name tulse hill may change and be cast into the cupboard of the yesterday's like the sanjak of novi bazar and battlebridge

 

[weltweit]

I see there is also a Tulse Hill thread. Confusing a little.

Have people been suggesting new names yet?

 

[platinumsage]

I think you shouldn't use words you don't know the meaning of, words like figurehead for example

Using the accepted definition of figurehead means you were wrong about his involvement, so I was being generous to you.

 

[Pickman's model]

Using the accepted definition of figurehead means you were wrong about his involvement, so I was being generous to you.

You were being generous by showing how flaccid is your grasp on the English language? How very kind of you.

 

[Pickman's model]

I see there is also a Tulse Hill thread. Confusing a little.

Have people been suggesting new names yet?

Bodley

 

[weltweit]

Bodley

Who he? / she?

 

[Pickman's model]

Who he? / she?

The former manor/s of bodley, upgrove and scarlettes broadly correspond with the areas of tulse hill and Brockwell park

Tulse Hill and Brockwell Park | British History Online

www.british-history.ac.uk

 

[Cat Fan]

I see there is also a Tulse Hill thread. Confusing a little.

Have people been suggesting new names yet?

There are two things to rename, the bit around South Brixton and the small bit around the train station.

The first one could be called South Brixton or Brixton Hill East. The train station could be renamed something like Thurlow Park, Brockwell Park, South Dulwich, East Streatham, North Norwood, take your pick...

 

[Cat Fan]

There are two things to rename, the bit around South Brixton and the small bit around the train station.

The first one could be called South Brixton or Brixton Hill East. The train station could be renamed something like Thurlow Park, Brockwell Park, South Dulwich, East Streatham, North Norwood, take your pick...

The South Dulwich idea is geographically questionable but would be fun when riding the train into London Bridge (South Dulwich - North Dulwich - West Dulwich)

 

[DJWrongspeed]

names are rarely "just signs" and even more rarely when we're talking place names derived from powerful or otherwise 'important' historical people.

yes but it's 'Tulse' not 'Herne' that's my point. Where does it end? If you start deleting the names of rich people (who may have done bad things) where are the limits?
I'm not entirely opposed to the idea since the more interesting question is does 'Tulse Hill' exist why not just West Norwood? or nowhere or south brixton. These are more fertile questions if we're going to have a democratic conversation. I'm sure Urb75 is best placed to answer these questions

 

[andysays]

yes but it's 'Tulse' not 'Herne' that's my point. Where does it end? If you start deleting the names of rich people (who may have done bad things) where are the limits?
I'm not entirely opposed to the idea since the more interesting question is does 'Tulse Hill' exist why not just West Norwood? or nowhere or south brixton. These are more fertile questions if we're going to have a democratic conversation. I'm sure Urb75 is best placed to answer these questions

I'm not sure what your point is, tbh, but your actual assertion about names just being signs, as if the thing the names refer to is utterly unimportant, is what I was taking issue with.

 

[editor]

The South Dulwich idea is geographically questionable but would be fun when riding the train into London Bridge (South Dulwich - North Dulwich - West Dulwich)

For that reason alone, I'M IN!

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Hitbridge Hill

 

[spanglechick]

Lower Norwood.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I ain't having Dulwich

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Not going from a hill to a Lower

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I remember seeing some property brochures back in about 2001 that referred to Tulse Hill as Tulse Hill Village......and had a picture of the Tulse Hill Tavern as if it was some quaint village boozer.......

 

[spanglechick]

Not going from a hill to a Lower

Just the bit by the station. It’s definitely Lower if you’re in Upper Norwood looking down.

 

[RubyToogood]

Just the bit by the station. It’s definitely Lower if you’re in Upper Norwood looking down.

As we do.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

I'm not sure what your point is, tbh, but your actual assertion about names just being signs, as if the thing the names refer to is utterly unimportant, is what I was taking issue with.

99.9% of the time it is 'utterly unimportant.' that was my main point. When I moved to south London it was just a 'word' until the issue was raised just now. Therefore I question the importance of naming. Happy to have a debate about it if people feel strongly but i'm not sure if you start going down that route where you'll end up. How do you extracate the names of all the rich who were bad from the landscape?

At the opposite end of the spectrum look where this could possibly get us=> David Hume in Edinburgh

 

[spanglechick]

As we do.

Everywhere’s down from us, lovey.