Should the Queen meet Martin McGuinness?

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I aint followed any of this thread, just my tuppence:

Anyone from either anti or pro republican side who objects is essentially objecting to the essence and broad success of the peace process ratified by people in the 6 and 26 counties as well as the UK Parliament.

They are implying they know better. They don't.

 

[Citizen66]

You're the joke. You have to pick apart everyone who asks a question you consider beneath you. Snobbery and elitism are not just the domain of capitalists it would appear.

You said Marx was irrelevant. All he did was ask you why.

 

[butchersapron]

You're the joke. You have to pick apart everyone who asks a question you consider beneath you. Snobbery and elitism are not just the domain of capitalists it would appear.

Oh god will it ever end? You asked me a question. I answered. You asked me another one. I answered. I asked you a couple based on your first question in order to demonstrate that you were approaching things the wrong way in asking the question but that there was a potential fruitful debate around at least those questions (i outlined one again above - still no answer, c66 just highlighted the other - no answer) it if you answered. You didn't answer. You started your bizarre weepy ranting again.

 

[Random]

@ Random - thanks for that, I do think it's a series of writings (like the bible) that have some relevance to some people in this day & age but has to be modified and refined in order to fit into the modern world. I'm just wondering why it isn't more widespread than say parts of the Americas and the East... and yes, I know that socialism and communism and whatever the hell it is in NK is not the same as Marxism. What I'm trying to say is why isn't there true Marxism in action or would it have to be watered down in order to "succeed" today?

It's not like the bible. Unless the bible contains more useful stuff than I thought. Marx's legacy is very very widespread. A lot of what he said is not just "common sense" in economics and politics. Anticapitalist social movements are common and in many areas influenced by Marxism, but the point that BA is making and you're missing is that even the pro capitalists are using Marx. Thus proving the usefulness of the theory's insights, and meaning that "marxism" is very common in places like Europe and the USA, just being used by the ruling class.

When you say "marxism" I get the impression you're really asking why communism isn't more widespread?

 

[krtek a houby]

You said Marx was irrelevant. All he did was ask you why.

Er, no I didn't.

This is what I said "If Marxism is more relevant than ever, why is it not as rampant as capitalism?"

And Butchers waffled his usual way before telling me to "grow up".

Pay more attention, my memory ain't all that but yours is goldfish

 

[butchersapron]

Er, no I didn't.

If Marxism is more relevant than ever, why is it not as rampant as capitalism?

Implicit claim that marxism (and random is right - you need to work out if you mean the ideas of marx or Communism) is not relevant and it's relevance is lessening by the day.

 

[Ax^]

northern Ireland, the queen, Martian Mcguinness and Marx in one thread

 

[Citizen66]

Er, no I didn't.

This is what I said "If Marxism is more relevant than ever, why is it not as rampant as capitalism?"

And Butchers waffled his usual way before telling me to "grow up".

Pay more attention, my memory ain't all that but yours is goldfish

Well at least butchers actually said something. We're still waiting for something concrete from yourself.

 

[Lock&Light]

Oh god will it ever end? You asked me a question. I answered. You asked me another one. I answered. I asked you a couple based on your first question in order to demonstrate that you were approaching things the wrong way in asking the question but that there was a potential fruitful debate around at least those questions (i outlined one again above - still no answer, c66 just highlighted the other - no answer) it if you answered. You didn't answer. You started your bizarre weepy ranting again.

Your "answers" are always meaningless. They are are just the spoutings of a self-satisfied bore.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Lighten up with a word from our sponsors

 

[butchersapron]

Your "answers" are always meaningless. They are are just the spoutings of a self-satisfied bore.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Not a lot of people know that it is a young Martin McGunniess playing trombone on that track ^

 

[Citizen66]

Your "answers" are always meaningless. They are are just the spoutings of a self-satisfied bore.

Of course, this sort of response gets you off the hook of actually engaging with what has been said. As everyone can plainly see. You and krtek have the same MO.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Butchers - I obviously disagree when you refute my claim above that your comments on shift in strategy of global capital in how they attack the poor are similar to those made by those who attack global elites from a different angle. But I can't be bothered to have a repeating row that would waste both our time plus I'm off out to a rehearasal.

ETA: fuck, wrong thread. g2g

 

[Lock&Light]

Of course, this sort of response gets you off the hook of actually engaging with what has been said. As everyone can plainly see. You and krtek have the same MO.

It's not possible to usefully reply to meaningless spouting. It's why I very seldom respond to you.

 

[Citizen66]

It's not possible to usefully reply to meaningless spouting. It's why I very seldom respond to you.

Which pleases me greatly. However, butchers post wasn't meaningless. You just don't want to (or more likely unable to) meaningfully engage with it.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's not possible to usefully reply to meaningless spouting.

and yet you continue spouting meaningless bilge.

 

[Lock&Light]

Which pleases me greatly. However, butchers post wasn't meaningless. You just don't want to (or more likely unable to) meaningfully engage with it.

It meant nothing to me. And neither do you.

 

[Citizen66]

It meant nothing to me. And neither do you.

What sort of childish fucking debate is this? Can you not go to a forum for the intellectually inadequate and stop bothering folk here? Thanks.

 

[Lock&Light]

and yet you continue spouting meaningless bilge.

And yet you constantly respond to it. Smell the coffee, Pick.

 

[Pickman's model]

Er, no I didn't.

This is what I said "If Marxism is more relevant than ever, why is it not as rampant as capitalism?"

And Butchers waffled his usual way before telling me to "grow up".

Pay more attention, my memory ain't all that but yours is goldfish

i don't think you understand the difference between an analysis of capitalism and a theory of history (marxism) and a mode of production (capitalism).



rather, i'm certain you don't understand the difference because, going on your previous posts, thinking is one of your weaker suits.

 

[butchersapron]

There is triumvirate of dense people bringing down the collective intelligence of these forums with their special powers.

Sic semper tyrannis

 

[Pickman's model]

And yet you constantly respond to it. Smell the coffee, Pick.

another meaningless post from lock&light.

 

[Lock&Light]

What sort of childish fucking debate is this? Can you not go to a forum for the intellectually inadequate and stop bothering folk here? Thanks.

Your patronising attitude is frequently on display and is never worth responding to.

 

[Pickman's model]

There is triumvirate of dense people bringing down the collective intelligence of these forums with their special powers.

Sic semper tyrannis

grit, lock&light & krtek a houby?

 

[butchersapron]

grit, lock&light & krtek a houby?

Yep.

 

[Pickman's model]

Your patronising attitude is frequently on display and is never worth responding to.

another meaningless post from lock&light

 

[Citizen66]

Your patronising attitude is frequently on display and is never worth responding to.

And yet you've done so three times today with tiresome vapidity.

 

[Lock&Light]

And yet you've done so three times today with tiresome vapidity.

Wasn't worth it though, was it? Like I said.

 

[Citizen66]

Wasn't worth it though, was it? Like I said.

Correction. Four times.